Helene Disaster Response: The Regime leaving Red States to die?

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

I think he was mocking your #2 Squissy.  

Hardcore Whineador makes Squistion look like Walter Cronkite.

[RLLD 3,928]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Red Cross does great work…but does a fraction of what the US government will do here. 

Eventually the federal gov will get in there and be helpful, but pretending they are like ignoring it all is sorta silly.   And of course it will cost three times as much as it needs to..... in terms of performance value, government is really....really....bad

[HotRod 35]

Nice to see THE BOSS leading like only he can.

[HellToupee 1,252]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

NC is a flyover state? If you’re flying from South Carolina to Europe, I guess.

What a dolt. 

Fly from Massachusetts to Florida. It’s a flyover state

[thegeneral 2,490]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Eventually the federal gov will get in there and be helpful, but pretending they are like ignoring it all is sorta silly.   And of course it will cost three times as much as it needs to..... in terms of performance value, government is really....really....bad

Def put a private company in charge. Let them fock it all up and then eventually have to get investigated by the Feds and have a bunch of regulation put in and get bailed out.

Some things are require a behemoth organization. They aren’t going to be perfect.

[edjr 6,298]

Remember the days of the entire USA coming together for a tragedy like this?

Obama ruined that

[edjr 6,298]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Fly from Massachusetts to Florida. It’s a flyover state

I have hundreds of times

[MDC 6,753]

4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Fly from Massachusetts to Florida. It’s a flyover state

Every state is a “flyover state,” depending on where you’re going.  

[RLLD 3,928]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Def put a private company in charge. Let them fock it all up and then eventually have to get investigated by the Feds and have a bunch of regulation put in and get bailed out.

Some things are require a behemoth organization. They aren’t going to be perfect.

I do not share your apprehension for how private companies handle things.  Nor your trust in government.  Having worked in and amongst both....it is always government making it worse.....failures on the private side are easily traceable to constant government stupidity.   Not all agencies are created equal....some are really bad, like DOT.....some are really good like DOEnergy

But i general government is populated by weak leadership, notably at the lower levels, who are only concerned with not being bothered.....and private companies dare not call the out on it

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Every state is a “flyover state,” depending on where you’re going.  

What are these people talking about

[edjr 6,298]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Every state is a “flyover state,” depending on where you’re going.  

I flew to Nantucket. How many states did I fly over?

[thegeneral 2,490]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not share your apprehension for how private companies handle things.  Nor your trust in government.  Having worked in and amongst both....it is always government making it worse.....failures on the private side are easily traceable to constant government stupidity.   Not all agencies are created equal....some are really bad, like DOT.....some are really good like DOEnergy

But i general government is populated by weak leadership, notably at the lower levels, who are only concerned with not being bothered.....and private companies dare not call the out on it

As soon as a private company focks something up related to say natural disasters where do people go to get bailed out?

How will private companies continue to absorb these loses they take in these hurricane areas?

 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

Every state that’s not New York or California, or certain parts of Florida,  is a flyover state. Why deny it? We’re simply better than the rest of you, it’s not a political thing. It’s just culture. What little your savage minds have of it you get it from us. We are your rulers and we don’t come to you unless you have something to offer like a beach during winter time. Even Trump knows this. You think he’s moving to Nebraska? 

[RLLD 3,928]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

As soon as a private company focks something up related to say natural disasters where do people go to get bailed out?

How will private companies continue to absorb these loses they take in these hurricane areas?

 

I was not aware of private companies and their failures to natural disasters, I might need to read up on that a bit, might you have some examples; preferably something with legal action?

[BrahmaBulls 627]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Exactly. Appalling response to a disaster.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/trump-blames-california-for-wildfires-tells-state-you-gotta-clean-your-floors-1311059

Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state ‘you gotta clean your floors’

OAKLAND — President Donald Trump on Thursday blamed California for its raging wildfires and threatened to withhold federal money, reprising his attacks from previous rounds of catastrophic blazes.

“I see again the forest fires are starting,” he said at a rally in swing-state Pennsylvania. “They’re starting again in California. I said, you gotta clean your floors, you gotta clean your forests — there are many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they’re like, like, so flammable, you touch them and it goes up.”

“Maybe we’re just going to have to make them pay for it because they don’t listen to us,” he added.

The combination of assigning blame while fires still burn and offering questionable remedies have become as familiar to Californians as the conflagrations that ignite each year. Those fires have spurred a predictable response from the president: blame the Democrat-dominated state and then threaten to punish it by withholding money. He did so as fires burned in 2018, and again in 2019.

“I’ve been telling them this now for three years, but they don’t want to listen,” Trump said on Thursday. “‘The environment, the environment,’ but they have massive fires again.”

 

F California.  You a-holes make everything about you.  Biden and Kamal screw up this hurricane and can't come up with 100 whataboutisms fast enough.  Donkey.

[thegeneral 2,490]

Just now, RLLD said:

I was not aware of private companies and their failures to natural disasters, I might need to read up on that a bit, might you have some examples; preferably something with legal action?

They aren’t in the position to do this is my point. Not everything can be handled for profit.

How will insurance companies for instance handle providing coverage in these areas? What happens when people don’t have coverage - where do they go?

[purdygood 306]

42 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I raked my back yard yesterday, so I should be safe. 

I hope you didn't have a Sideshow Bob moment.

 

 

[RLLD 3,928]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

They aren’t in the position to do this is my point. Not everything can be handled for profit.

How will insurance companies for instance handle providing coverage in these areas? What happens when people don’t have coverage - where do they go?

Well, yeah, I agree, which is why I would never suggest a private company handle a natural disaster.....so, yeah....

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Every state that’s not New York or California, or certain parts of Florida,  is a flyover state. Why deny it? We’re simply better than the rest of you, it’s not a political thing. It’s just culture. What little your savage minds have of it you get it from us. We are your rulers and we don’t come to you unless you have something to offer like a beach during winter time. Even Trump knows this. You think he’s moving to Nebraska? 

How do you classify Chicago?

[thegeneral 2,490]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, yeah, I agree, which is why I would never suggest a private company handle a natural disaster.....so, yeah....

Well then you are stuck with the Feds and all their imperfections. Red Cross and the local church as much as they try and their efforts are wonderful aren’t going to cut it. 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

How do you classify Chicago?

I've only been to Chicago once.  But ewww that cold and snow in the winter.  Wrigley Field was cool.  There wasn't a game the day I went, but I gave a security guard a Egg McMuffin (the McDonalds employee tipped us off) and he let us in for 15 minutes to wander the stadium alone. It was magical. I have a picture sitting on top of the dugout in a empty Wrigley.

[RLLD 3,928]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Well then you are stuck with the Feds and all their imperfections. Red Cross and the local church as much as they try and their efforts are wonderful aren’t going to cut it. 

No, your jumping to conclusions apparently did not include all available options...... you see, we could.....make government better......

Sadly, this too....is a little farcical.   Problems can be distilled down to people, policy and process.

You cannot go after the people, they are protected by the agency and the political apparatus.   You cannot go after the policy as it is protected by the political apparatus. And god save your soul if you try t change process, oh my god......those people will "disappear" you faster than a Clinton associate....

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I've only been to Chicago once.  But ewww that cold and snow in the winter.  Wrigley Field was cool.  There wasn't a game the day I went, but I gave a security guard a Egg McMuffin (the McDonalds employee tipped us off) and he let us in for 15 minutes to wander the stadium alone. It was magical. I have a picture sitting on top of the dugout in an empty Wrigley.

I THINK it is a flyover exception, so I am curious for Tim’s ruling.  

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

14 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

F California.  You a-holes make everything about you.  

Thats because it is. 

[thegeneral 2,490]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, your jumping to conclusions apparently did not include all available options...... you see, we could.....make government better......

Sadly, this too....is a little farcical.   Problems can be distilled down to people, policy and process.

You cannot go after the people, they are protected by the agency and the political apparatus.   You cannot go after the policy as it is protected by the political apparatus. And god save your soul if you try t change process, oh my god......those people will "disappear" you faster than a Clinton associate....

Who doesn’t want to make government better?  That’s in part why it becomes so bogged down. 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

I THINK it is a flyover exception, so I am curious for Tim’s ruling.  

He's under the blue tent...... let's see what New York says.  Does, the ruling on the field stand? ....

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

9 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

How do you classify Chicago?

They were a part of the club but now with the White Sox I’m not sure I want them around any more. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,163]

California and NY did a much better job than Florida and Texas with Covid.  Science! Get those basketball hoops down! Close the beaches and golf courses! 

[Hawkeye21 2,208]

8 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I've only been to Chicago once.  But ewww that cold and snow in the winter.  Wrigley Field was cool.  There wasn't a game the day I went, but I gave a security guard a Egg McMuffin (the McDonalds employee tipped us off) and he let us in for 15 minutes to wander the stadium alone. It was magical. I have a picture sitting on top of the dugout in a empty Wrigley.

That's pretty awesome.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

I would classify flyover as anything east of Sierra Nevada Mountains, west of DC, north of the frostline in Florida, and south of Canadian border. There are carve outs for Chicago, Las Vegas on weekends, and Atlanta strip clubs.  

[jerryskids 6,161]

2 hours ago, purdygood said:

He said we should rake the forests.  The forests that are Federal Land.

I remember that at least 1/2 of the land was on state land, although Google isn't clear on that.  Nationwide, I've seen estimates that 84% of fires are on state or private vs. federal land.

Also California environmental groups protest against such cleanup.

[Engorgeous George 1,774]

1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Nobody knows more about forest fires than Trump.

Well maybe Smokey the Bear.

[jerryskids 6,161]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Every state that’s not New York or California, or certain parts of Florida,  is a flyover state. Why deny it? We’re simply better than the rest of you, it’s not a political thing. It’s just culture. What little your savage minds have of it you get it from us. We are your rulers and we don’t come to you unless you have something to offer like a beach during winter time. Even Trump knows this. You think he’s moving to Nebraska? 

Wut?  Your culture blows.  You have nearly unlimited God-given natural resources -- great weather, beaches, mountains, ports, raw materials -- and somehow you still manage to fock it up and have companies/people leaving in droves.  That's not "culture."

California is like the son of the rich dad who thinks he is superior because his dad is rich.  Wait, you literally ARE that kid.   

[Engorgeous George 1,774]

42 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Wut?  Your culture blows.  You have nearly unlimited God-given natural resources -- great weather, beaches, mountains, ports, raw materials -- and somehow you still manage to fock it up and have companies/people leaving in droves.  That's not "culture."

California is like the son of the rich dad who thinks he is superior because his dad is rich.  Wait, you literally ARE that kid.   

Like Donald Trump, or Paris Hilton?

[jerryskids 6,161]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Like Donal Trump, or Paris Hilton?

Not exactly.  Both of them built off of their fortunes.  Kim Kardashian is another.  

California is the rich trust fund kid who sits around smoking pot and making it rain in clubs.

[Engorgeous George 1,774]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Not exactly.  Both of them built off of their fortunes.  Kim Kardashian is another.  

California is the rich trust fund kid who sits around smoking pot and making it rain in clubs.

I would have loved to be that guy!  So sort of a Hunter Biden?

[purdygood 306]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I remember that at least 1/2 of the land was on state land, although Google isn't clear on that.  Nationwide, I've seen estimates that 84% of fires are on state or private vs. federal land.

Also California environmental groups protest against such cleanup.

As a CA citizen, I think my tax dollars should be paying for cleanup of State land.  We waste money on a lot of other stuff.  But we also pay more in Federal Tax Dollars than we receive back, so they should help out too.   Also, people who choose to live in the forrests should pay higher insurance rates, instead, they spread the cost to all of us.  Like, my house has fire sprinklers and I live in a Urban area, why did my rates go up because there was a fire 800 miles away?

[jerryskids 6,161]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I would have loved to be that guy!  So sort of a Hunter Biden?

Exactly.  California is Hunter Biden.   

[RLLD 3,928]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Who doesn’t want to make government better?  That’s in part why it becomes so bogged down. 

Many people in government do not want it to be better.  They abhor change, outside ideas.   You and I might want it, the the bureaucratic elite have a vested interest in things staying the same.  Bad ideas and processes and policy dominate government. Nothing can waste money like government.  Few things can champion the impossibly bad as government does.

Government is not the answer at all, mostly it is the problem.  Trusting in government is more than dumb, its dangerous

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Many people in government do not want it to be better.  They abhor change, outside ideas.   You and I might want it, the the bureaucratic elite have a vested interest in things staying the same.  Bad ideas and processes and policy dominate government. Nothing can waste money like government.  Few things can champion the impossibly bad as government does.

Government is not the answer at all, mostly it is the problem.  Trusting in government is more than dumb, its dangerous

I have worked in private sector my whole life. All kinds of morons. That’s fine, they sometimes get canned, maybe the biz goes under.

Some things, like the handling of a natural disaster across multiple states with millions impacted can only be handled by the Government.

They are far from perfect and their mistakes should be highlighted but what other way would there be?