The NFL product on the field across the board - GARBAGE

[lod001 1,325]

100% garbage. I've never seen such awful QB play. Coaching is garbage. Where are the 300 yard passing games?

The #1 QB in stats is Geno Smith. He's playing well for his limited capability.

Baker is playing great. The Browns deserve what is happening to them. They had it but were too stupid to know it. Goff playing well. Here's a list of garbage:

Richardson
Hurts
Daniel Jones
Dak
Watson - fortunately he's now gone.
Levis
Any PITT QB
Any MIA QB
Rodgers is just cashing paychecks like Watson.
The PATS benched their garbage and looks promising.
Raiders got nothing
Broncos may have nothing.
Saints have nothing
Panthers have nothing
Murray is a midget and can't play normal QB cause he cannot see over the OL.

Joe Flacco has now made 2 supposed franchise QBs look like garbage.

The number of 300-yard passing games in the NFL has been trending downward in recent years: 

2023: There were an average of seven 300-yard passing games per week 
2024: In the first four weeks, there were only 15 games with 300-yard passing, which is the fewest since 2003 . the average over the past 15 or so years has been 33 after 4 weeks. 

If the NFL wants to tout itself as a passing league, they may want to start finding NFL caliber QBs.




 

 

 

 

 

 

[cmh6476 899]

Mahomes is pretty good. 

[Showboat 215]

34 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Mahomes is pretty good. 

Well, he doesn't have the passing stats the OP was talking about and even his great play today that the talking heads were praising was a product of the new protections afforded QBs.  40 or 50 years ago he would have been crushed on the sideline.  Nowadays, the defender will get a penalty for touching a QB near the sideline, so he lets up and allows Mahomes to squirt by.with a big run.  Really with all the rules-changes favoring QBs and the passing game, there is no excuse for QBs to not be throwing for 300+ every week.  

[lod001 1,325]

52 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Mahomes is pretty good. 

Really? 8 INTs and 6 TDs. He's on pace for 17 TDs. They are winning despite him.

[IGotWorms 3,891]

32 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Really? 8 INTs and 6 TDs. He's on pace for 17 TDs. They are winning despite him.

Bad take. He makes plays when it counts.

[IGotWorms 3,891]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

100% garbage. I've never seen such awful QB play. Coaching is garbage. Where are the 300 yard passing games?

The #1 QB in stats is Geno Smith. He's playing well for his limited capability.

Baker is playing great. The Browns deserve what is happening to them. They had it but were too stupid to know it. Goff playing well. Here's a list of garbage:

Richardson
Hurts
Daniel Jones
Dak
Watson - fortunately he's now gone.
Levis
Any PITT QB
Any MIA QB
Rodgers is just cashing paychecks like Watson.
The PATS benched their garbage and looks promising.
Raiders got nothing
Broncos may have nothing.
Saints have nothing
Panthers have nothing
Murray is a midget and can't play normal QB cause he cannot see over the OL.

Joe Flacco has now made 2 supposed franchise QBs look like garbage.

The number of 300-yard passing games in the NFL has been trending downward in recent years: 

2023: There were an average of seven 300-yard passing games per week 
2024: In the first four weeks, there were only 15 games with 300-yard passing, which is the fewest since 2003 . the average over the past 15 or so years has been 33 after 4 weeks. 

If the NFL wants to tout itself as a passing league, they may want to start finding NFL caliber QBs.




 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres basically no training camp anymore and nobody who is going to make the roster plays in the preseason. Of course these teams are not even remotely ready to play a full season at a high quality level 

[polecatt 466]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Really? 8 INTs and 6 TDs. He's on pace for 17 TDs. They are winning despite him.

They're winning because of their defense mostly

[weepaws 2,950]

Been for a very long time.  

[polecatt 466]

In my league, each game, going into Monday night, not a single team with 100 pts...

I have the highest score of 95 with only Ladd McConkey to go tonight, so I should break 100 but no guarantee.

I can't remember the last time that happened, don't know if it ever has...

So far this season, it's been way up and down, but this week all down

 

[Serenity Now 63]

11 hours ago, Showboat said:

Well, he doesn't have the passing stats the OP was talking about and even his great play today that the talking heads were praising was a product of the new protections afforded QBs.  40 or 50 years ago he would have been crushed on the sideline.  Nowadays, the defender will get a penalty for touching a QB near the sideline, so he lets up and allows Mahomes to squirt by.with a big run.  Really with all the rules-changes favoring QBs and the passing game, there is no excuse for QBs to not be throwing for 300+ every week.  

That Mahomes run was such a b!tch move . The NFL has instituted all these rules to protect guys like him and he does that knowing the defender can’t touch him. Mahomes is a big part of the problem with how much this league caters to him. I can’t even watch the chiefs game with the way they are gifted so many calls in critical moments. 

[lod001 1,325]

15 hours ago, polecatt said:

They're winning because of their defense mostly

Exactly.

[weepaws 2,950]

15 hours ago, polecatt said:

They're winning because of their defense mostly

But that doesn’t make the product the show it has become, winning with defense is what made Football a great game, removing being able to tackle, hit , stop, defend is what’s made the game horrible.  

Back in the day, defense and a blocking, and a running game is what define the NFL.  

Today qbs are way over valued, because of numbers,  they can sit in the pocket, not get hit,  can’t touch a wr, The Mel Blount rule, it’s ruin the basic of the game.  

I would start watching again if defense was allowed in the nfl once again.  

[Chickie 70]

Whatever happened to the *wildcat*?

[weepaws 2,950]

Just now, Chickie said:

Whatever happened to the *wildcat*?

Goldie Hawn? 

[polecatt 466]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

But that doesn’t make the product the show it has become, winning with defense is what made Football a great game, removing being able to tackle, hit , stop, defend is what’s made the game horrible.  

Back in the day, defense and a blocking, and a running game is what define the NFL.  

Today qbs are way over valued, because of numbers,  they can sit in the pocket, not get hit,  can’t touch a wr, The Mel Blount rule, it’s ruin the basic of the game.  

I would start watching again if defense was allowed in the nfl once again.  

I agree 100%.

The days of dominating defenses like the 85 Bears are long gone.

Defense in the NFL today is more like it is in the NBA than it is football of the past.

Teams don't rough up and run over offenses any more, that's against the rules. It's much more of a bend but don't break philosophy.

[Ray_T 712]

21 hours ago, lod001 said:

100% garbage. I've never seen such awful QB play. Coaching is garbage. Where are the 300 yard passing games?

The #1 QB in stats is Geno Smith. He's playing well for his limited capability.

Baker is playing great. The Browns deserve what is happening to them. They had it but were too stupid to know it. Goff playing well. Here's a list of garbage:

Richardson
Hurts
Daniel Jones
Dak
Watson - fortunately he's now gone.
Levis
Any PITT QB
Any MIA QB
Rodgers is just cashing paychecks like Watson.
The PATS benched their garbage and looks promising.
Raiders got nothing
Broncos may have nothing.
Saints have nothing
Panthers have nothing
Murray is a midget and can't play normal QB cause he cannot see over the OL.

Joe Flacco has now made 2 supposed franchise QBs look like garbage.

The number of 300-yard passing games in the NFL has been trending downward in recent years: 

2023: There were an average of seven 300-yard passing games per week 
2024: In the first four weeks, there were only 15 games with 300-yard passing, which is the fewest since 2003 . the average over the past 15 or so years has been 33 after 4 weeks. 

If the NFL wants to tout itself as a passing league, they may want to start finding NFL caliber QBs.




 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we need to calm down.

yes the talent is a bit thinner.   the NFL has more teams and the number of college teams has not increased  at the same rate as the NFL league size.   but thats not the reason we are seeing less 300 yard games.   Because the depth of talent on Defense is thinner too.

I think part of it is that teams are now looking for QB who run the ball.    guys like  Joe Flacco have been passed over for guys like Fields.   Now fields just lost his job to Russell Wilson so maybe that's an extreme example, but teams dont want the drop back passer anymore.   They want the dual threat Lamar Jackson type player.   problem is... most of the guys who run like Lamar pass the ball like Tim Teebow.    You are not gonna get 300 yard games that way.

its more a case of the game has changed.   Defenses have also adapted too.   There are always years where the offense evolves and learns how to beat the defense, then the defense evolves to counter this.   its cyclical.   a few years back we saw the defenses start to dominate for a year or two before the most recent evolution of the offensive game plans.   Then we saw a lot of 300  yard passing games.   Now Defenses have adjusted.

I'll be honest when I look at coverage today its far better than what we saw (on average) even 3 or 4 years ago.  I'm pretty sure this has at least something to do with it.

but lets not have an angry rant.  lets talk about what we are seeing and see if this is truly an evolution of the game or if the talent has thinned out.   I personally think its an evolution of the game.   but that's my opinion.   I'm fully willing to discuss and debate the matter.   

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

I agree with a lot of the OP. Mahomes is better than good though, he's great. In fact how good he is appears to be solely related to how much KC is pushed. The defense has been too good really as has been the offensive line. But it's not just KC - yes, the penalties, the injuries, the way the players give each other free run out of bounds or in the tackling (& a lot of it has to do with the NFL's rules changes), the constant and long and unnecessary commercials, it's all often really unwatchable.

[lod001 1,325]

On 10/21/2024 at 5:42 PM, Ray_T said:

I think we need to calm down.

yes the talent is a bit thinner.   the NFL has more teams and the number of college teams has not increased  at the same rate as the NFL league size.   but thats not the reason we are seeing less 300 yard games.   Because the depth of talent on Defense is thinner too.

I think part of it is that teams are now looking for QB who run the ball.    guys like  Joe Flacco have been passed over for guys like Fields.   Now fields just lost his job to Russell Wilson so maybe that's an extreme example, but teams dont want the drop back passer anymore.   They want the dual threat Lamar Jackson type player.   problem is... most of the guys who run like Lamar pass the ball like Tim Teebow.    You are not gonna get 300 yard games that way.

its more a case of the game has changed.   Defenses have also adapted too.   There are always years where the offense evolves and learns how to beat the defense, then the defense evolves to counter this.   its cyclical.   a few years back we saw the defenses start to dominate for a year or two before the most recent evolution of the offensive game plans.   Then we saw a lot of 300  yard passing games.   Now Defenses have adjusted.

I'll be honest when I look at coverage today its far better than what we saw (on average) even 3 or 4 years ago.  I'm pretty sure this has at least something to do with it.

but lets not have an angry rant.  lets talk about what we are seeing and see if this is truly an evolution of the game or if the talent has thinned out.   I personally think its an evolution of the game.   but that's my opinion.   I'm fully willing to discuss and debate the matter.   

it's not an evolution, its a de-evolution. A QB should be capable of reading a defense and making a throw, not looking at the #1 read, think that he's covered and then take off and run. That is boring crap. Also their shelf life is less than 10 years. A pocket passers can last 20. There is way more turnover in QBs today which makes for shitty games that we now see.

[gridirongoofs 116]

3 hours ago, lod001 said:

it's not an evolution, its a de-evolution. A QB should be capable of reading a defense and making a throw, not looking at the #1 read, think that he's covered and then take off and run. That is boring crap. Also their shelf life is less than 10 years. A pocket passers can last 20. There is way more turnover in QBs today which makes for shitty games that we now see.

That's why some allege that it's rigged because there is way more betting/gambling than ever.  Who knows. I haven't watched since 2010 or 11 I think... Cheers. 

[kutulu 1,598]

When you think of garbage, think of the NFL

[easilyscan 688]

An example from tonight's game ?

Don't know which team had the ball, but it was third and 10 & I believe the call was illegal use of the hands on the defense.

Illegal hand use involves a defensive player putting their hands to prohibited use by grabbing the facemask of the opposing player involved in a block. It results in a loss of 5 yards and an automatic first down.

If it had been 3rd & 25, would the offense still get the automatic 1st down ?  If that's the case, seems wrong. 

[RareN64Dream 17]

Darnold almost got his head ripped off and no penalty on that safety. Refs rigged it.

[IN$TANT REPAY 11]

On 10/21/2024 at 2:33 AM, weepaws said:

Been for a very long time.  

College game  & atmosphere  >  NFL

 

Fantasy Football is keeping the NFL afloat, popularity wise.

The overall product is unwatchable as a casual fan.

[easilyscan 688]

47 minutes ago, IN$TANT REPAY said:

Fantasy Football is keeping the NFL afloat, popularity wise.

More and more states allowing sports gambling is helping as well.

[wolves111 93]

6 hours ago, IN$TANT REPAY said:

College game  & atmosphere  >  NFL

 

Fantasy Football is keeping the NFL afloat, popularity wise.

The overall product is unwatchable as a casual fan.

FF and gambling are keeping it alive.

[lod001 1,325]

Outside of the horrible non call, last nights game was what should be expected. Solid QB play.

[WhiteWonder 2,454]

On 10/20/2024 at 8:09 PM, lod001 said:

100% garbage. I've never seen such awful QB play. Coaching is garbage. Where are the 300 yard passing games?

The #1 QB in stats is Geno Smith. He's playing well for his limited capability.

Baker is playing great. The Browns deserve what is happening to them. They had it but were too stupid to know it. Goff playing well. Here's a list of garbage:

Richardson
Hurts
Daniel Jones
Dak
Watson - fortunately he's now gone.
Levis
Any PITT QB
Any MIA QB
Rodgers is just cashing paychecks like Watson.
The PATS benched their garbage and looks promising.
Raiders got nothing
Broncos may have nothing.
Saints have nothing
Panthers have nothing
Murray is a midget and can't play normal QB cause he cannot see over the OL.

Joe Flacco has now made 2 supposed franchise QBs look like garbage.

The number of 300-yard passing games in the NFL has been trending downward in recent years: 

2023: There were an average of seven 300-yard passing games per week 
2024: In the first four weeks, there were only 15 games with 300-yard passing, which is the fewest since 2003 . the average over the past 15 or so years has been 33 after 4 weeks. 

If the NFL wants to tout itself as a passing league, they may want to start finding NFL caliber QBs.
 

 

hmmm.  First i'll respond to your post directly, and then I will go in a slightly different direction that still applies to the topic. 

As far as blaming it on trash QB's and coaching, I would remove a few QB's from your list either because I think they are fine NFL QB's or because I think their situation leaves more to be blamed on GM or ownership. 

Dak - Good NFL QB, imho. Can't base anything off $$$ since NFL QB's get ridiculous contracts. Just how it is
Broncos - Bo Nix has looked better than I expected. Not fair to throw him in this category already
Rodgers - his stats are fine this year for a 41 year old veteran. His completion percentage sucks but hes 8th in yards, top 10 in TDs.... He's a total cancer but I think his stats would be better if the overall team wasn't all over the place. 
Hurts - is having a very efficient season. high completion %, low turnovers....  Barkley looks tremendous and the offense is different this year. Smith and AJ Brown also missed multiple games. 
Daniel Jones -  gotta look right at GM/ownership on this one.  Jones should be a backup QB... and unlike Richardson or some of the other names on your list, theres been enough time to determine what Jones is. 

 

 

What has bothered me more about the NFL and what I think takes away from the product more than people realize is the extra game and expanded playoffs and the trickle down effect it has when it comes to injuries. With an added game and more playoff spots, more teams are alive longer in the season and there is less incentive to rush a player back from injury. I think players who would have missed 1-2 games in the past now get held out for 3-4... it's easier to shove a player on the IL, easier to continue to have a star player miss games to get them as close to 100% as possible if the team is still winning or treading water.  The Rams are a great example. Puka didn't miss a beat last night. Kupp looked good too. Do we really think they couldn't have played in week 7? But there is less urgency. The Rams are now 3-4 in a wide open NFC West.  that extra game and extra wildcard spot make a big difference.  Stafford would have much better numbers with more games played by his top two WR's and Rams games would be higher scoring with those stars on the field.    That's just one example.
 

[lod001 1,325]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

hmmm.  First i'll respond to your post directly, and then I will go in a slightly different direction that still applies to the topic. 

As far as blaming it on trash QB's and coaching, I would remove a few QB's from your list either because I think they are fine NFL QB's or because I think their situation leaves more to be blamed on GM or ownership. 

Dak - Good NFL QB, imho. Can't base anything off $$$ since NFL QB's get ridiculous contracts. Just how it is
Broncos - Bo Nix has looked better than I expected. Not fair to throw him in this category already
Rodgers - his stats are fine this year for a 41 year old veteran. His completion percentage sucks but hes 8th in yards, top 10 in TDs.... He's a total cancer but I think his stats would be better if the overall team wasn't all over the place. 
Hurts - is having a very efficient season. high completion %, low turnovers....  Barkley looks tremendous and the offense is different this year. Smith and AJ Brown also missed multiple games. 
Daniel Jones -  gotta look right at GM/ownership on this one.  Jones should be a backup QB... and unlike Richardson or some of the other names on your list, theres been enough time to determine what Jones is. 

 

 

What has bothered me more about the NFL and what I think takes away from the product more than people realize is the extra game and expanded playoffs and the trickle down effect it has when it comes to injuries. With an added game and more playoff spots, more teams are alive longer in the season and there is less incentive to rush a player back from injury. I think players who would have missed 1-2 games in the past now get held out for 3-4... it's easier to shove a player on the IL, easier to continue to have a star player miss games to get them as close to 100% as possible if the team is still winning or treading water.  The Rams are a great example. Puka didn't miss a beat last night. Kupp looked good too. Do we really think they couldn't have played in week 7? But there is less urgency. The Rams are now 3-4 in a wide open NFC West.  that extra game and extra wildcard spot make a big difference.  Stafford would have much better numbers with more games played by his top two WR's and Rams games would be higher scoring with those stars on the field.    That's just one example.
 

One major problem is that the 1st 4 games are the new preseason and no one seems to care. Can't get anyone hurt in the preseason so they come in and get hurt in the 1st few weeks.

 

[Showboat 215]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

One major problem is that the 1st 4 games are the new preseason and no one seems to care. Can't get anyone hurt in the preseason so they come in and get hurt in the 1st few weeks.

 

That's not really anything two new.  It's been at least 20 years since any significant starter played more than a few quarters in the pre-season.  As training camps got watered down (i.e less full pads/contact sessions) I think there is less time to actually teach proper techniques for tackling and getting tackled.  Focus seems to be on scheme and terminology and nobody has developed any good habits for hitting and getting hit which leads to more injuries.  I think back (many moons ago) to when I took ski lessons.  The first thing on the lesson plan was learning and practicing how to fall down without getting hurt.

[plasma george 59]

On 10/21/2024 at 2:07 PM, weepaws said:

But that doesn’t make the product the show it has become, winning with defense is what made Football a great game, removing being able to tackle, hit , stop, defend is what’s made the game horrible.  

Back in the day, defense and a blocking, and a running game is what define the NFL.  

Today qbs are way over valued, because of numbers,  they can sit in the pocket, not get hit,  can’t touch a wr, The Mel Blount rule, it’s ruin the basic of the game.  

I would start watching again if defense was allowed in the nfl once again.  

We watch every game, on our 120" Theater screen, with brothers, and we always say it's better than anything else we watch (Sports, Shows, Movies, etc)

We were also players into our 20s, these guys are like Gods to us, for non athletes that only watched, and never stood in a huddle, I get it. 

[gridirongoofs 116]

On 10/25/2024 at 2:33 PM, plasma george said:

We watch every game, on our 120" Theater screen, with brothers, and we always say it's better than anything else we watch (Sports, Shows, Movies, etc)

We were also players into our 20s, these guys are like Gods to us, for non athletes that only watched, and never stood in a huddle, I get it. 

That's interesting. My reasoning it is garbage is because I did stand in a huddle all through high school...to each his own... and there is certainly nothing to revere or worship about this product or the people involved in my humble opinion. Cheers. 

[lod001 1,325]

This stupid analytics is causing losses and yet they continue to use it. By now the numbers should be showing that you do the opposite of what analytics said. The # of failures is far more than the # of successes.

It cost the Ravens a win because they did not kick a FG in the 1st Q. With those 3 points on the board, they only would have had to kick a GW FG instead of being forced to score a TD at the end. 

There was another one I believe with the Seahawks where they went for it and the snap was bad to Geno. They probably don't even mark that as a failure because 'the bad snap caused it'. 

[plasma george 59]

Another amazing Sunday of NFL games, still can't believe the Redskins/Bears ending, and many other dramatic games, we were going nuts, High Fives all around.

I guess some people prefer the Hallmark Channel.

[Showboat 215]

45 minutes ago, plasma george said:

Another amazing Sunday of NFL games, still can't believe the Redskins/Bears ending, and many other dramatic games, we were going nuts, High Fives all around.

The ending may have been dramatic and exciting, but a final jump-ball heave is not really good football.  The Bears were counting their chickens before they hatched instead of focusing on actually playing defense on the last two plays.

[plasma george 59]

21 minutes ago, Showboat said:

The ending may have been dramatic and exciting, but a final jump-ball heave is not really good football.  The Bears were counting their chickens before they hatched instead of focusing on actually playing defense on the last two plays.

Agreed, but NHL is worse with shootout endings, almost every NBA game becomes Fouls and Timeouts to try and "manufacture" a Win.

The DB who tipped it was taunting the Redskins fans prior.  Like Jim Nantz said, that ending was a Miracle. and that was only one game yesterday.

80 yards, 25 seconds, no timeouts.  Feel sorry for fans that didn't get to see it Live, maybe pumpkin picking is more fun.

[WhiteWonder 2,454]

On 10/26/2024 at 9:52 PM, gridirongoofs said:

That's interesting. My reasoning it is garbage is because I did stand in a huddle all through high school...to each his own... and there is certainly nothing to revere or worship about this product or the people involved in my humble opinion. Cheers. 

[Ray_T 712]

18 hours ago, lod001 said:

This stupid analytics is causing losses and yet they continue to use it. By now the numbers should be showing that you do the opposite of what analytics said. The # of failures is far more than the # of successes.

It cost the Ravens a win because they did not kick a FG in the 1st Q. With those 3 points on the board, they only would have had to kick a GW FG instead of being forced to score a TD at the end. 

There was another one I believe with the Seahawks where they went for it and the snap was bad to Geno. They probably don't even mark that as a failure because 'the bad snap caused it'. 

this is a completely different argument

but an interesting commment.    Analyitics are too often misused.

just looking at them and making a sweeping judgement on a player or team is not fair most of the time.

you dont just look at the analytics.    you need to find out what the data you are looking at means or what caused the stats to skew that way.   Sure your QB or RB are not doing well, but why?

lots were down on Sequon Barkley and Henry going into this season because the analytics suggested they were in decline.  but if you look at the why,  both RB's were running behind bad lines.   Now they are running behind decent lines and suddenly those analytics dont mean so much.   because the conditions of the test have now changed.   in the end those analytics measured efficiency but now in light of the new data with the new team it is clear that the issue was likely a line problem and not a RB problem.    so you do need to be very careful how you use that data when using it to help you make a decision.

dont get me wrong,  Analytics  can be very helpful.   and in the case above, yeah, they walked from some guaranteed points because the analytics failed them and it bit them later when they needed the points.    This just goes to show, that sometimes coaches fall into this trap too.    Food for your thoughts.   Nice post.

[Showboat 215]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

dont get me wrong,  Analytics  can be very helpful.   and in the case above, yeah, they walked from some guaranteed points because the analytics failed them and it bit them later when they needed the points.    This just goes to show, that sometimes coaches fall into this trap too.    Food for your thoughts.   Nice post.

I would actually argue that all analytics for football are pretty much garbage because when they consider a large sample size across historical games, they don't consider that all of the moving parts are NOT interchangeable.  The interaction of 22 guys on a field presents a unique situation every time - it's not like rolling fair dice.  When the analytics say that going for it on 4 and 5 in whatever situation is the right move, it is ridiculous to think that the same answer applies to both Mahomes going against the Panthers and Bryce Young going against the Chiefs not to mention the multitude of other factors that cannot really be quantified (injuries, game momentum, etc.) 

[weepaws 2,950]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

this is a completely different argument

but an interesting commment.    Analyitics are too often misused.

just looking at them and making a sweeping judgement on a player or team is not fair most of the time.

you dont just look at the analytics.    you need to find out what the data you are looking at means or what caused the stats to skew that way.   Sure your QB or RB are not doing well, but why?

lots were down on Sequon Barkley and Henry going into this season because the analytics suggested they were in decline.  but if you look at the why,  both RB's were running behind bad lines.   Now they are running behind decent lines and suddenly those analytics dont mean so much.   because the conditions of the test have now changed.   in the end those analytics measured efficiency but now in light of the new data with the new team it is clear that the issue was likely a line problem and not a RB problem.    so you do need to be very careful how you use that data when using it to help you make a decision.

dont get me wrong,  Analytics  can be very helpful.   and in the case above, yeah, they walked from some guaranteed points because the analytics failed them and it bit them later when they needed the points.    This just goes to show, that sometimes coaches fall into this trap too.    Food for your thoughts.   Nice post.

Those that bad mouthed Barkley and Henry had to be rookies.  

[Ray_T 712]

1 hour ago, Showboat said:

I would actually argue that all analytics for football are pretty much garbage because when they consider a large sample size across historical games, they don't consider that all of the moving parts are NOT interchangeable.  The interaction of 22 guys on a field presents a unique situation every time - it's not like rolling fair dice.  When the analytics say that going for it on 4 and 5 in whatever situation is the right move, it is ridiculous to think that the same answer applies to both Mahomes going against the Panthers and Bryce Young going against the Chiefs not to mention the multitude of other factors that cannot really be quantified (injuries, game momentum, etc.) 

I would also say that sometimes the eye  test is the most telling

for example, on 4th and 1 or 2 yards...... if your line is consistently pushing back the opposing teams line, its far easier to gamble on something like that than to count on the stats.

and if your team isnt consistently pushing the other teams line back on run plays,  it does not matter if you have completed 65% of your 4th and 1 plays this year.  if your line isnt getting that push, your expected result will be that you will be successful at a lower rate than 65% because your Line isnt getting that push against the defense today.

Either way,  while analytics can help you..... you also need to know how to use them.    They can be good for telling you there is a problem somewhere, but it still requires you to take a look, use common sense and find out where you are losing the battles.    there were other analytics for Derek Henry.  he was still breaking tackles and his yards after first contact were still good.  its just his last year in Tennessee the line quite often failed  him and first contact was behind the line of scrimage.   When that happens, the analyitics for the RB will almost never be great.