UPDATE: Daniel Jones Headed to Minnesota

[Bills04 54]

Saw this via Edge, when I opened a new tab.  Personally, I'd have pulled his a$$ after the disastrous INT early in the game, Week 6..  They really need to switch to someone else..  Odds are his contract has an injury guarantee.  I believe his guaranteed money runs out after this season.  That is the LAST thing you want, for 2025.  Paying him $40M a year when injured, and handicapping the team's ability to MOVE ON.

 

Giants' Brian Daboll comments on Daniel Jones' future after benching

[GobbleDog 918]

Watch Giants Week 7 highlights.... it wouldn't matter if the Giants had Brady or Manning at their peak. That o-line played so horribly, nobody could succeed under those conditions. Heck, if anything Jone's wheels kept some plays alive.

He probably won't ever be a franchise Qb and the Giants will likely move on... but until they fix the o-line, it won't change anything.

[Ray_T 721]

59 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Watch Giants Week 7 highlights.... it wouldn't matter if the Giants had Brady or Manning at their peak. That o-line played so horribly, nobody could succeed under those conditions. Heck, if anything Jone's wheels kept some plays alive.

He probably won't ever be a franchise Qb and the Giants will likely move on... but until they fix the o-line, it won't change anything.

I've been saying this for a couple years.

This is really a personell problem or an O line problem.    Though we may actually be at the point where they have ruined him as a prospect by not putting him in a position to be successful.   guy can only perform for so long under those conditions and then the confidence gets trashed and the player starts to doubt himself.

they probably do need to replace him but they also need to replace half the line (maybe more) or fire the O line coach and bring in someone who can get them performing.

inevitably, the QB usually takes the blame even when its not 100% his fault.

I'm not saying Daniel Jones is blameless.  I'm just saying hes not the only problem.  and when the line performs that terribly you need to give the player a Mulligan.  but if this is the norm.... Daniel jones and over 3/4  of the starters in the NFL wont be able to play behind that line.    So how much do you blame the player?    Likely the best thing for Daniel jones carreer would be if they cut him loose so he can go play in another organization.

[Bills04 54]

An update:

 

ESPN’s Jordan Raanan writes that “A handful of Giants players told ESPN this week they weren’t pushing for a permanent change at quarterback.”

 

The grander context here is that Giants media is convinced that Daniel Jones will eventually lose his job after getting pulled for Drew Lock last week. The players asked about this said things “might be different if Tyrod Taylor were still on the roster.” Ouchtown, Drew. It’s hard to treat Jones as a playable superflex quarterback with the threat of an in-game benching over his head. Hopefully you weren’t relying on him against the Steelers this week anyway. From a 30,000-foot view, the Jones era certainly appears to be winding down in New Jersey.

[weepaws 3,009]

Gmen payed him.  Lol. 

[Ray_T 721]

49 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Gmen payed him.  Lol. 

once you guarantee the money, you are kind of on the hook until the guaranteed portion is paid out.   we are getting close to that point at the end of this year.   After that it is dicey on whether he stays a giant.

 

[Bills04 54]

From a Rotoworld Week 9 summary article:

 

Via Sarah York, this one is difficult to believe … yet all too believable: “The Chiefs won two super bowls between Daniel Jones’ most recent two passing touchdowns at MetLife stadium.”

[Ray_T 721]

6 minutes ago, Bills04 said:

From a Rotoworld Week 9 summary article:

 

Via Sarah York, this one is difficult to believe … yet all too believable: “The Chiefs won two super bowls between Daniel Jones’ most recent two passing touchdowns at MetLife stadium.”

probably true.  team has been bad for a long time.  they will probably dip their toe into the draft pool to replace Jones at the end of the year.

though they still have not solved the other problems the team has

NFL Offensive Line Rankings 2024: Stacking All 32 OLs Entering Week 9

as per the link, giants O line is still bad.  maybe no longer league worst, but its in the bottom quartile which is still pretty bad.  I'd say there is no point bringing in a rookie QB to play behind this terrible line.    The smart move is to fix this deficiency, get a well respected o line coach to come in and draft a couple O linemen in the first 2-3 picks they have in the upcoming draft.

if Jones still cannot perform, then he can be replaced at that point.  but putting a rookie in behiind this sad sack O line would be just asking for the same outcome you got with Daniel Jones.

it is very possible that he was ruined as a QB prospect by putting him behind this leakly line for so long.   it is also possible that if the line problems get fixed Jones may be able to perform.  though I think its more likely they ruined him as a player.

but even if keeping jones for 1 more year seems the wrong move to make,  the right move is to get that O line up to speed so that Jones replacement does not have to go through what Jones did.    Your rookie QB should play behind a decent line and this line has been proven to be far from decent.

 

[cmh6476 918]

You start to wonder how many teams ruined what could have been a decent qb.  Nobody saw this coming with Darnold, but now all of a sudden he is decent?

What would a Daniel Jones led Chiefs team be right now? 5-3?

[Ray_T 721]

55 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

You start to wonder how many teams ruined what could have been a decent qb.  Nobody saw this coming with Darnold, but now all of a sudden he is decent?

What would a Daniel Jones led Chiefs team be right now? 5-3?

lots of teams have ruined QB by playing them behind bad lines.

Derek Carrs Brother David was drafted #1 overall in Houston and they played him behind a bad line  and ruined him too.   this is only one example.   There are plenty more out there.

sure, if you have an elite QB in every way, the line may not matter as much, but the reality is very few QB as a rookie are able to overcome a bad line.   and there are not a lot of veteran QB who can do it either.

but with a rookie, the learning curve is steep enough as it is.  why make it worse by putting the guy behind a bad line?

I know in New York all people want is to replace Danny Dimes and I get it, but they need to fix the line first and foremost    I think their WR are actually good enough now(though one more playmaker wouldnt hurt)

honestly if I was the GM of this team I'd draft an OT in round 1 and a guard or Centre in round 2 or 3 and hire the best O line coach that money can buy.  Maybe sign one solid Free agent signing to tide things over (in case one of the rookies need a year of development)  and see how things play out from there.  

If Danny dimes still cant cut it, the next move is to replace Him.   the good news.... even if Danny dimes sucks one more year, you will have a top pick to replace him with.   if he starts to perform, maybe you keep him.   either way, you have rebuilt the line (which needed to be done) and whoever is QB from here on out will have good protection.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,393]

Daniel Jones is Baker Mayfield with a much worse OLine and (historically), worse supporting cast.

[Chickie 73]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

lots of teams have ruined QB by playing them behind bad lines.

Derek Carrs Brother David was drafted #1 overall in Houston and they played him behind a bad line  and ruined him too.   this is only one example.   There are plenty more out there.

sure, if you have an elite QB in every way, the line may not matter as much, but the reality is very few QB as a rookie are able to overcome a bad line.   and there are not a lot of veteran QB who can do it either.

but with a rookie, the learning curve is steep enough as it is.  why make it worse by putting the guy behind a bad line?

I know in New York all people want is to replace Danny Dimes and I get it, but they need to fix the line first and foremost    I think their WR are actually good enough now(though one more playmaker wouldnt hurt)

honestly if I was the GM of this team I'd draft an OT in round 1 and a guard or Centre in round 2 or 3 and hire the best O line coach that money can buy.  Maybe sign one solid Free agent signing to tide things over (in case one of the rookies need a year of development)  and see how things play out from there.  

If Danny dimes still cant cut it, the next move is to replace Him.   the good news.... even if Danny dimes sucks one more year, you will have a top pick to replace him with.   if he starts to perform, maybe you keep him.   either way, you have rebuilt the line (which needed to be done) and whoever is QB from here on out will have good protection.

 

How about giving Tommy D a shot? If you’re going to trade some pieces at the deadline, why not take a look to see if maybe Tommy D > Danny Dimes? If he’s not, they have a clear head to make 2025 decisions. You already know what you have in Dimes.

[Ray_T 721]

26 minutes ago, Chickie said:

How about giving Tommy D a shot? If you’re going to trade some pieces at the deadline, why not take a look to see if maybe Tommy D > Danny Dimes? If he’s not, they have a clear head to make 2025 decisions. You already know what you have in Dimes.

I know hes well liked there, but I suspect given the state of the line, you are not looking at a different result.      Danny Dimes Can run with the football and that actually keeps the pass rush from pinning their ears back and really going after him.    I dont think Tommy is a better runner than Danny Dimes is (though I've seen so little of his game I cannot say for sure)

so unless Tommy is making decisions lightning quick and getting rid of the ball fast, I dont see a better result.

and honestly, when a QB starts to play that way, the defense will adjust because they know you are not going deep on them (due to the poor protection the line gives)   so it really makes your offense sort of one dimensional.

[weepaws 3,009]

When the starting Qb isn’t getting the job done , the back Qb becomes very popular 

[Bills04 54]

The announcement will likely come in the next two weeks / after the Bye week:

 

ESPN’s Adam Schefter said he “would guess” Daniel Jones “will never play another down” for the Giants.

 

He pointed at the tonal shift that Brian Daboll had in yesterday’s press conference, and speculated that Daniel Jones’ $23 million injury guarantee could force the Giants to bench Jones. “Just as we saw ... Russell Wilson and Jimmy Garoppolo be benched last year, and Derek Carr the year before ... to not risk those players getting hurt, I think we’re looking at the same thing with Daniel Jones right now.” Giants GM Joe Schoen held a presser today in which he said a decision on Jones would be “based on football only,” but it’s hard to take that at face value. Drew Lock would be the starting quarterback for the Giants if Jones were to be put on ice, and we might see even uglier football ahead for the Giants after their bye if that’s the case.

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

On 11/4/2024 at 12:30 PM, Bills04 said:

between Daniel Jones’ most recent two passing touchdowns at MetLife stadium.”

If the stat is Jones went all of 2023 without a home passing TD that really means he shouldn’t have started this year. Daboll does some good things, especially in the run game. He’s been tasked with an impossible situation with making a Duke QB a viable starter.

[Ray_T 721]

either way, I think it has reached a point where both parties should be happy for a divorce.

I think Jones may be better in another organization but I also think the Giants need to give themselves a good look.   They did not do a good job of putting their young QB in a position to succeed.   Putting him behind a leaky line.    at times I'd say this was the worst line in the league.

the learning curve when you go pro is pretty steep.  giving your QB another problem to worry about (leaky line) is generally bad for the development of the player.

I acknowledge Danny Dimes needs to take some responsibility but I'd say the Giants did a piss poor job of supporting him too.   I'd say they likely ruined him as a prospect and as a player with the way they handled his development.  

personally I lay this at the feet of the GM.  I would say it all begins and ends there.  it is the job of the GM to get the personell needed to be successful and the right personell was not there.

[kutulu 1,623]

On 11/4/2024 at 6:11 PM, weepaws said:

When the starting Qb isn’t getting the job done , the back Qb becomes very popular 

Wow, you can up with that yourself?

[Bills04 54]

"personally I lay this at the feet of the GM.  I would say it all begins and ends there."  Like .. taking Saquon over Josh Allen?  And, then re-signing D. Jones instead of Saquon a couple of years ago?

[JagFan 129]

15 hours ago, kutulu said:

Wow, you can up with that yourself?

That’s why I don’t draft a QB until week 3 waivers.  That’s when the popular back shows himself!

[weepaws 3,009]

1 hour ago, JagFan said:

That’s why I don’t draft a QB until week 3 waivers.  That’s when the popular back shows himself!

Jones would be that Qb.  

[rotisserieking 55]

Jones reminds me of Marc Bulger back in they day. Very early on he was very, very good but as the O line got worse and he started getting hit and sacked a dozen times a game he just got shell shocked and was never the same. 

Remember all the Eli Manning face memes? I'd guess Jones has far worse on tape.

[TBayXXXVII 2,393]

On 11/13/2024 at 11:02 AM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

If the stat is Jones went all of 2023 without a home passing TD that really means he shouldn’t have started this year. Daboll does some good things, especially in the run game. He’s been tasked with an impossible situation with making a Duke QB a viable starter.

To be fair, he only played 2 home games in 2023.

[Mike FF Today 709]

Giants are making the switch. Tommy DeVito will start in Week 12 against Tampa Bay.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1858498726592999555

"Sources: The New York Giants are expected to replace Daniel Jones with Tommy DeVito as their new starting quarterback."

 

[Showboat 247]

That's got to be good news for Nabers, no?  Hopefully the kid mercilessly targets his best receiver.

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

I don't understand why Lock is not the starter, unless the idea is to see (more of) what they already know about DeVito, and to lose out. Owners of Tracey & Nabers will suffer.

[Nomad99 646]

I just saw that if Jones gets injured,  his $23mil salary next year is guaranteed. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,393]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:29 AM, Showboat said:

That's got to be good news for Nabers, no?  Hopefully the kid mercilessly targets his best receiver.

 

18 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I don't understand why Lock is not the starter, unless the idea is to see (more of) what they already know about DeVito, and to lose out. Owners of Tracey & Nabers will suffer.

The switch at QB is a financial decision, not a football decision.  Jones is still, easily the best QB on the roster... as bad as that sounds.  Neither Lock or DeVito are starter worthy QB's... they're both emergency-type guys who you hope never has to play.

There is no upside to either of these two, than what was already in place.

[Mike FF Today 709]

Giants have released Daniel Jones. A statement from team President John Mara...

https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1859998024539512930

"Daniel came to see me this morning and asked if we would release him. We mutually agreed that would be best for him and the team."

[rotisserieking 55]

21 minutes ago, Mike FF Today said:

Giants have released Daniel Jones. A statement from team President John Mara...

https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1859998024539512930

"Daniel came to see me this morning and asked if we would release him. We mutually agreed that would be best for him and the team."

What Mara really said: "F*k yes!"

[Ray_T 721]

4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

The switch at QB is a financial decision, not a football decision.  Jones is still, easily the best QB on the roster... as bad as that sounds.  Neither Lock or DeVito are starter worthy QB's... they're both emergency-type guys who you hope never has to play.

There is no upside to either of these two, than what was already in place.

I'd agree.  this is more financial than anything.

I dont think Devito is any better than jones, but he is cheaper, and if paying Jones to sit on your bench, you might as well send him home or give him his release.   There may be other QB needy teams willing to give him a shot.

so this works for Jones too

[TBayXXXVII 2,393]

Just now, Ray_T said:

I'd agree.  this is more financial than anything.

I dont think Devito is any better than jones, but he is cheaper, and if paying Jones to sit on your bench, you might as well send him home or give him his release.   There may be other QB needy teams willing to give him a shot.

so this works for Jones too

Yeah, he can now go to a team that will either possibly give him a chance to play (Las Vegas for example), or to a good team who needs a backup where he could learn (KC for example... I can see Reid kicking the tires on a potential Donovan McNabb type player as a backup).

[Ray_T 721]

28 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yeah, he can now go to a team that will either possibly give him a chance to play (Las Vegas for example), or to a good team who needs a backup where he could learn (KC for example... I can see Reid kicking the tires on a potential Donovan McNabb type player as a backup).

well, he will have some choices to make.

I dont know that Vegas as an organization is any better than the Giants, but he will likely get a chance to play if he goes there.

personally if I were him I'd pick an organization that has a history of being well run.   because they would put him in a position where hes more likely to succeed.

even if he has to be the backup QB for a while, that may be a better fit.    going from one poorly run team to another poorly run team doesnt likely help.

[Gepetto 1,192]

On 11/21/2024 at 12:55 PM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I don't understand why Lock is not the starter, unless the idea is to see (more of) what they already know about DeVito, and to lose out. Owners of Tracey & Nabers will suffer.

Lock beat out DeVito in preseason and was/is ahead of him on the depth chart. Lock gets bonus money if he plays a certain number of games. Giants don't want to pay Lock so he's not starting. The Giants are cheap bastards and a horrible loser franchise. 

[Mike FF Today 709]

Per Ian Rapoport, Daniel Jones is headed to Minnesota...

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1861793804178600196

"Former #Giants QB Daniel Jones plans to sign with the #Vikings practice squad, after having cleared waivers, per me, @TomPelissero and @CameronWolfe. 

A new beginning and opportunity for Jones with a chance to the backup."

[Vikings4ever 538]

After what O'Connell did with Darnold, you gotta think that's a best case scenario for Jones.

[cmh6476 918]

6 hours ago, Vikings4ever said:

After what O'Connell did with Darnold, you gotta think that's a best case scenario for Jones.

Little downside for the vikes.  You also have to like the mentorship around jj from the vets they are working with. 

[Ray_T 721]

On 11/24/2024 at 2:29 PM, Gepetto said:

The Giants are cheap bastards and a horrible loser franchise. 

of course they are.   The last time this franchise was considered well run Eli Manning was still playing.