I’m willing to question the media now.

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yeah, it sounds like tim doesn't understand how polling works. 

I'll never know-pretty sure ole Timmy has me on ignore. LOL  

[kilroy69 1,162]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

All right. A whole lot you here on the right have been telling liberals like myself that the mainstream media is full of sh!t for years, deliberately lying to me and everyone. I’ve never bought into it. Call me obtuse, naive, a moron, whatever. I’m not sure I’m buying into it even now (still skeptical about the “deliberate” part.) But yeah they really blew it. Again. And I’m open to the discussion. Gonna be a long time before I trust the news again. 
 

 

This is what I have been saying all along and it was ABSOLUTELY deliberate. 

Across ABC, CBS, and NBC, coverage of Kamala Harris was found to be 78 percent positive and 22 percent negative, according to the study conducted by the Media Research Center, a conservative-leaning media watchdog group. By contrast, Donald Trump received 15 percent positive coverage versus 85 percent negative, trailing Harris by 63 percent in terms of positive coverage.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

Comcast is putting MSNBC up for sale. lol. 

[Horseman 1,987]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

All right. A whole lot you here on the right have been telling liberals like myself that the mainstream media is full of sh!t for years, deliberately lying to me and everyone. I’ve never bought into it. Call me obtuse, naive, a moron, whatever. I’m not sure I’m buying into it even now (still skeptical about the “deliberate” part.) But yeah they really blew it. Again. And I’m open to the discussion. Gonna be a long time before I trust the news again. 
 

 

First, you're a liar, again.  You said you'd take your lumps and then not post for months, and then very rarely.  The very next day you're already starting new threads.  You always do that because you know you have a problem, but, you can't help yourself.  Seek professional help.

Second, North Carolina was mathematically Trump's at 9:30 EST and was called by 270 to Win.  None of your networks gave it to Trump until after 11:30 EST.  That's more than just lying and fabricating, they are so conditioned that they held out on unavoidable mathematical certainty as long as they possibly could.  After airing Trump's victory speech, on ABC, the guy at the big board all but said numerous time he can't find the votes in PA and the network still hadn't called it.  It was pathetic.  

[Horseman 1,987]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

They gave me the impression that while this was a close election that was mainly due to the electoral college and that  only about 46% of the public supported Trump. They told me that Ted Cruz had a reasonable chance of losing and that Dems might hold on to the Senate. They told me that Latinos were still solidly in Harris’s corner. I could go on and on and on.

Last night when I was watching MSNBC Joy Reid said “we all knew it was fantasy that Ted Cruz might lose. And we all knew Georgia and North Carolina were high hurdles for Kamala.” Well I didn’t know those things. And if they knew then they lied to me. And yeah this morning I’m pissed off about it. For years I’ve defended these people here and elsewhere. And I meant it, I wasn’t arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

22 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'll never know-pretty sure ole Timmy has me on ignore. LOL  

I never have anyone on ignore. 

[WhiteWonder 2,480]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

They gave me the impression that while this was a close election that was mainly due to the electoral college and that  only about 46% of the public supported Trump. They told me that Ted Cruz had a reasonable chance of losing and that Dems might hold on to the Senate. They told me that Latinos were still solidly in Harris’s corner. I could go on and on and on.

Last night when I was watching MSNBC Joy Reid said “we all knew it was fantasy that Ted Cruz might lose. And we all knew Georgia and North Carolina were high hurdles for Kamala.” Well I didn’t know those things. And if they knew then they lied to me. And yeah this morning I’m pissed off about it. For years I’ve defended these people here and elsewhere. And I meant it, I wasn’t arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

You're watching MSNBC and you're really not intelligent enough to understand heavily biased liberal media when you see it?  

it's definitely a you problem. 

the degree to which you might believe what they spew or the degree to which you might feel they are biased is certainly something I can see people getting duped over, but to think there is no bias, and they are presenting you with nothing but facts is laughable

[Horseman 1,987]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

I think the lesson here is that the betting markets are usually right and are the best measure of who is ahead in an election.

And by far the quickest to react.  

[squistion 1,656]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never have anyone on ignore. 

You should, unless you get some masochistic pleasure in seeing the same personal insults leveled against you repeately, that have nothing to do with anything being discussed.

[kilroy69 1,162]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

They gave me the impression that while this was a close election that was mainly due to the electoral college and that  only about 46% of the public supported Trump. They told me that Ted Cruz had a reasonable chance of losing and that Dems might hold on to the Senate. They told me that Latinos were still solidly in Harris’s corner. I could go on and on and on.

Last night when I was watching MSNBC Joy Reid said “we all knew it was fantasy that Ted Cruz might lose. And we all knew Georgia and North Carolina were high hurdles for Kamala.” Well I didn’t know those things. And if they knew then they lied to me. And yeah this morning I’m pissed off about it. For years I’ve defended these people here and elsewhere. And I meant it, I wasn’t arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

The problem is that the media is so biased to democrats and their way of thinking that it creates an echo chamber of liberals convincing themselves of things. Convincing themselves that Trump would lose. That Cruz had a real shot to lose also. Who needs Russia and China when our own press interferes with the elections all the time with bad faith yellow journalism. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

You should, unless you get some masochistic pleasure in seeing the same personal insults leveled against you repeately, that have nothing to do with anything being discussed.

Sorry but putting people on ignore is pu$$y. Reporting people for no good reason (the only time I have reported anyone here is when they posted personal info about me, and only after I repeatedly asked them to delete it) is pu$$y. Insults are just part of the deal around here. Man up. 

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never have anyone on ignore. 

Got it, I'm just on a pay no mind list.  I won't waste my time anymore. 

[HellToupee 1,254]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry but putting people on ignore is pu$$y. Reporting people for no good reason (the only time I have reported anyone here is when they posted personal info about me, and only after I repeatedly asked them to delete it) is pu$$y. Insults are just part of the deal around here. Man up. 

You dish it out and you take it

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

10 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Got it, I'm just on a pay no mind list.  I won't waste my time anymore. 

Not at all. I don’t recall you addressing me directly. If you do of course I will respond to you. 

[supermike80 1,600]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry but putting people on ignore is pu$$y. Reporting people for no good reason (the only time I have reported anyone here is when they posted personal info about me, and only after I repeatedly asked them to delete it) is pu$$y. Insults are just part of the deal around here. Man up. 

There might be hope for you yet

[squistion 1,656]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry but putting people on ignore is pu$$y. Reporting people for no good reason (the only time I have reported anyone here is when they posted personal info about me, and only after I repeatedly asked them to delete it) is pu$$y. Insults are just part of the deal around here. Man up. 

Maybe you think accusing you of being a defender of child molesation or cheap shots about your wife is something one should "man up" for. I don't.

I won't subject myself to reading the same erroneous crap that is posted about me repeatedly.

Life on this forum has been so much better since I added about 20 of the usual suspects to my ignore list (and what I don't see, I can't get angry or upset about.) 

[supermike80 1,600]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Maybe you think accusing you of being a defender of child molesation or cheap shots about your wife is something one should "man up" for. I don't.

I won't subject myself to reading the same erroneous crap that is posted about me repeatedly.

Life on this forum has been so much better since I added about 20 of the usual suspects to my ignore list (and what I don't see, I can't get angry or upset about.) 

It's a frickin bulletin board you pansy.  Anyone could call me anything they wanted on here....over and over.....and I would never get mad or upset.  Seriously.  Tim's right  Man up dude.

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

So I’m open to the idea that the MSM is bias to Democrats, even to the point of being dishonest. But I don’t know where that leaves me because it’s not like I’m going to start getting my news from social media or right wing web sites. Despite my irritation and anger with Joy Reid, the fact is that I share most of her views on issues. 

[squistion 1,656]

Just now, supermike80 said:

It's a frickin bulletin board you pansy.  Anyone could call me anything they wanted on here....over and over.....and I would never get mad or upset.  Seriously.  Tim's right  Man up dude.

Good for you! 

[supermike80 1,600]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

So I’m open to the idea that the MSM is bias to Democrats, even to the point of being dishonest. But I don’t know where that leaves me because it’s not like I’m going to start getting my news from social media or right wing web sites. Despite my irritation and anger with Joy Reid, the fact is that I share most of her views on issues. 

But do you look at sites other than those that support your view?  And do you give them any respect?   I check out CNN...Have multiple times today actually.  But I'm on Fox news too.  And honestly, I couldn't give a hoot if a talking head on a news channel agrees with me or not.   think for yourself.   Why do you feel the need to connect somehow with these people?   Start there

[Hawkeye21 2,216]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So I’m open to the idea that the MSM is bias to Democrats, even to the point of being dishonest. But I don’t know where that leaves me because it’s not like I’m going to start getting my news from social media or right wing web sites. Despite my irritation and anger with Joy Reid, the fact is that I share most of her views on issues. 

Get your news from as many sources as you can or have time to check.  I get a lot of my news from twitter, which I know a lot of people dislike.  You have to really pay attention on twitter but it is one of the fastest ways to get news.  Always double check with multiple sources.

[Engorgeous George 1,782]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So I’m open to the idea that the MSM is bias to Democrats, even to the point of being dishonest. But I don’t know where that leaves me because it’s not like I’m going to start getting my news from social media or right wing web sites. Despite my irritation and anger with Joy Reid, the fact is that I share most of her views on issues. 

It is as if I could have predicted this earlier in this thread.  Oh, wait ...

[jbycho 208]

Imagine it taking this Trump win as an eye opener to the fact that the MSM has been biased in favor of the Democrats. WTF?

[Fumbleweed 485]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

Last night when I was watching MSNBC 

Full stop. There's your issue right there. 

[Fnord 1,664]

I am super curious about where all the righties around here that excoriate pretty much every news source get their news. Usually when asked they get sheepish. You don't need to trust the NYT, but if the alternative is Breitbart or a similar highly partisan source, you're still getting crap information. Enlighten us, Geek Club! WORDS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SPOKEN, BUT DESPERATE TIMES AND ALL

 

[jonmx 2,202]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want to be very clear about this: what we know about transsexuals comes not from the news media but from medical experts, including the AMA. I have no reason to distrust them so I will continue to base my views about them on that. 

One step at a time.  

[jonmx 2,202]

24 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I am super curious about where all the righties around here that excoriate pretty much every news source get their news. Usually when asked they get sheepish. You don't need to trust the NYT, but if the alternative is Breitbart or a similar highly partisan source, you're still getting crap information. Enlighten us, Geek Club! WORDS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SPOKEN, BUT DESPERATE TIMES AND ALL

 

I get news where ever I can.  I don't judge a story about where it comes from.  I don't disbelieve a story which comes from the NY Times.   I judge a story on the basis of the information it is built up.   It makes no difference to me of it came from Breitbart, Alex Jones, MSNBC, James O'Keefe, New York Times, Viva Frei.   I love independant journalists but they are limited on their resources available to them.  Mainstream media has enormous resources and countless sources inside the federal government, but they are limited by constraints of having to stay within a certain narrative.   All sources have the pros and cons and limitations.   All of them provide information and misinformation.   Even stories which include misinformation can have information which is true.   You have to take all facts with a skeptical eye.  

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

They gave me the impression that while this was a close election that was mainly due to the electoral college and that  only about 46% of the public supported Trump. They told me that Ted Cruz had a reasonable chance of losing and that Dems might hold on to the Senate. They told me that Latinos were still solidly in Harris’s corner. I could go on and on and on.

Last night when I was watching MSNBC Joy Reid said “we all knew it was fantasy that Ted Cruz might lose. And we all knew Georgia and North Carolina were high hurdles for Kamala.” Well I didn’t know those things. And if they knew then they lied to me. And yeah this morning I’m pissed off about it. For years I’ve defended these people here and elsewhere. And I meant it, I wasn’t arguing just for the sake of arguing. 

Welcome to my world. This is how I was. Except I began to question it during covid. When they were silencing people simply for speaking against the covid narrative, I really began to question it.

Then they removed the guy who invented mRNA vaccines from social media while never bringing him on to talk about the pandemic on any corporate media stations.

Look into who owns the media.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

When I realized the media was full of crap, I started to dig into a bit more. Then the connections started to make sense. If the media is all full of crap, and they are backing one party overwhelmingly, becoming a mouthpiece for them, then are those politicians trustworthy in any way?

I don't expect you to like Trump all of a sudden because of this. The one thing you should realize is that he is not a part of the political establishment. They absolutely loved Trump before he ran. Go look at the times he was on Oprah, the View, the race awards he won. Then when they saw a non preordained/non establishment person may take the most powerful position in the world, they freaked tf out.

[RLLD 3,928]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

So I’m open to the idea that the MSM is bias to Democrats, even to the point of being dishonest. But I don’t know where that leaves me because it’s not like I’m going to start getting my news from social media or right wing web sites. Despite my irritation and anger with Joy Reid, the fact is that I share most of her views on issues. 

Don't sweat it   Recognizing the problem is a really important first step.  Its an important start.

Gradually, and later, you can over time wean yourself away from the tabloid-type of outlet that is MSNBC.  Dont think you have to do it all at once.

Moreover, I can foresee MSNBC going away, at least from its current context...it will be sold off, perhaps rebranded and become an even more radical outlet, which can perhaps ease the break

[Gepetto 1,192]

Iowa wasn't even close. Trump 56% - Kamala 43%  

13 points

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2024/general-results/state/iowa

[Gepetto 1,192]

I am thankful Elon bought Twitter and fixed it's complete and over whelming left leaning bias and censorship of the right. 

[Horseman 1,987]

Claire Mccaskill broke down crying on MSNBC.  If you're crying when reporting election results you're not a reporter.  

Tim gets his news from MSNBC.  He cried too.  

[BrahmaBulls 627]

Wait until you figure out how much they lied to you about Covid vaccines and boosters.

[Patented Phil 1,271]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

I am super curious about where all the righties around here that excoriate pretty much every news source get their news. Usually when asked they get sheepish. You don't need to trust the NYT, but if the alternative is Breitbart or a similar highly partisan source, you're still getting crap information. Enlighten us, Geek Club! WORDS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SPOKEN, BUT DESPERATE TIMES AND ALL

 

Fox News

AllSides 

CNN

[HellToupee 1,254]

@warclandestine

There are two scenarios:

A) Donald Trump is actually Hitler, and the Dems/MSM are now agreeing to a peaceful transfer of power to a fascist genocidal dictator.

The Dems/MSM were lying.

We all know which one it is.

There should be a punishment for deception on this scale.

[DonS 3,241]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry but putting people on ignore is pu$$y. Reporting people for no good reason (the only time I have reported anyone here is when they posted personal info about me, and only after I repeatedly asked them to delete it) is pu$$y. Insults are just part of the deal around here. Man up. 

One minor correction: when referring to Squissy the correct term is "coont". 

The more you know

[Horseman 1,987]

7 hours ago, Fnord said:

I am super curious about where all the righties around here that excoriate pretty much every news source get their news. Usually when asked they get sheepish. You don't need to trust the NYT, but if the alternative is Breitbart or a similar highly partisan source, you're still getting crap information. Enlighten us, Geek Club! WORDS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SPOKEN, BUT DESPERATE TIMES AND ALL

 

It's not that difficult. Take a heathly dose from a variety of outlets, actually read the articles, vet the sources, factor in their political bias. 

Let me dumb it down further -  if CNN says something bad about the left, it's probably true. Vice versa. 

[TimHauck 2,450]

10 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Oy Vey!!!  Just wait until you learn about what else you've been lied to about. 

Like the Holocaust?

[Death 142]

I dunno. I just saw them reporting on polls that saw battleground states with mostly Trump slightly ahead.