Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

[nobody 2,461]

41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Elon? He should know better

Elon cares about Elon, and having Trump in his pocket benefits Elon.  Also he'll probably get some special exemption for tariffs since he got Trump elected.

[Voltaire 4,965]

39 minutes ago, Strike said:

No it wouldn't.  It would just require another case to make it to the SCOTUS and for them to interpret the current amendment as it was intended and not how it was interpreted by a previous SCOTUS.

The thing with abortion is that it isn't mentioned in the cosntitution. SCOTUS just fabricated a ruling wholecloth out of nothing in 1973 and pretended it was there.

That's different than birthright citizenship. It is mentioned specifically in the constitution.

Liberal justices start with the results they want then twist the Constitution into whatever form they want it to take or just ignore it's plain writing outright for expediency purposes.  Conservative justices do not do things that way. I agree that the birthright citizenship is BS but it IS there, it is addressed, and just ignoring the wording to achieve the outcome you want is acting like a sh*tbag liberal "living document" scumball. The conservatives on the court have too much respect for the Constitution to pull that.

Fourteenth AmendmentFourteenth Amendment Explained

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

 

[easilyscan 716]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I would like to know how this Mass Deportation will take place.

Move 'em on, head 'em up, head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em up, rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in rawhide
Keep movin', movin', movin'
 

Though they're disapproving
Keep them doggies movin'
Rawhide
 

Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope and throw and brand 'em
Soon we'll be livin' high and wide
 

[Strike 4,814]

14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The thing with abortion is that it isn't mentioned in the cosntitution. SCOTUS just fabricated a ruling wholecloth out of nothing in 1973 and pretended it was there.

That's different than birthright citizenship. It is mentioned specifically in the constitution.

Liberal justices start with the results they want then twist the Constitution into whatever form they want it to take or just ignore it's plain writing outright for expediency purposes.  Conservative justices do not do things that way. I agree that the birthright citizenship is BS but it IS there, it is addressed, and just ignoring the wording to achieve the outcome you want is acting like a sh*tbag liberal "living document" scumball. The conservatives on the court have too much respect for the Constitution to pull that.

Fourteenth AmendmentFourteenth Amendment Explained

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

 

Yes but you have to look at the purpose of the amendment when it was passed.  In this case, the purpose of the amendment had nothing to do with immigration.  It was enacted after the end of slavery to make it clear that slaves who had been freed were American Citizens. 

[nobody 2,461]

Also on the tariff stuff.  

China likes to subsidize their exports.  In other words, in some cases they pay for part of the cost of the goods sold to get the industry floated.  China will not allow their GDP to shrink.  It's a game of chicken.  

China regularly steals US intellectual property.  China regularly imposes unfair business practices on foreign businesses.  What they do is they force any country that wants to sell foreign goods in China to make huge investments in China or force them to be partially owned by China.  Then the Chinese steal all of the IP and create a knock off version of the product.  

The DoD doesn't even let us source parts from China because they are wrought with counterfeits and are shady as hell.

It's worth getting into a staring contest with China over this.  The trade relationship is completely one sided and will help China eventually eat our lunch.  We need chip manufacturers onshore and we need to stop letting China take advantage of us like we're some pitiful helpless giant and they're not a threat to us.  

Tariffs are a tool to help renegotiate their shìtty trade deals that they cheat on constantly anyway.

[thegeneral 2,496]

6 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

Move 'em on, head 'em up, head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em up, rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in rawhide
Keep movin', movin', movin'
 

Though they're disapproving
Keep them doggies movin'
Rawhide
 

Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope and throw and brand 'em
Soon we'll be livin' high and wide
 

I think this might be more detailed and thought out than Trump’s plan. He just knew it was a great campaign issue.

[easilyscan 716]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I think this might be more detailed and thought out than Trump’s plan. He just knew it was a great campaign issue.

I can't really disagree with that. I'd be happy if he seriously addressed removing those illegal aliens who have proven to be criminal types. Even if it's non-violent crime. 

 

[Voltaire 4,965]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

Also on the tariff stuff.  

China likes to subsidize their exports.  In other words, in some cases they pay for part of the cost of the goods sold to get the industry floated.  China will not allow their GDP to shrink.  It's a game of chicken.  

China regularly steals US intellectual property.  China regularly imposes unfair business practices on foreign businesses.  What they do is they force any country that wants to sell foreign goods in China to make huge investments in China or force them to be partially owned by China.  Then the Chinese steal all of the IP and create a knock off version of the product.  

The DoD doesn't even let us source parts from China because they are wrought with counterfeits and are shady as hell.

It's worth getting into a staring contest with China over this.  The trade relationship is completely one sided and will help China eventually eat our lunch.  We need chip manufacturers onshore and we need to stop letting China take advantage of us like we're some pitiful helpless giant and they're not a threat to us.  

Tariffs are a tool to help renegotiate their shìtty trade deals that they cheat on constantly anyway.

Excellent summary of the situation

[BrahmaBulls 627]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

If you’re wrong I will lose way more than $1000. This isn’t a game for me. So I really hope you’re right. 

Sorry you will have to pay real living wages instead of ripping off illegals

[Death 142]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I would like to know how this Mass Deportation will take place.

The estimated cost is almost $1 trillion, not to mention the chaos, pain and potential violence that will ensue when Trump's storm troopers kick in doors and haul off elderly Aunt Lupe to a concentration camp before deporting her back to some crapola country.

[Patented Phil 1,271]

This time around Liberals should be worried.  Conservatives have had enough of the Left.  Stamp them out like cockroaches.

Sorry, but enough’s enough.  When they started using the Justice Department as a weapon that ended any chance for compromise in my opinion.  Tell your friends and family to get on the bus, or risk being underneath it.

[Voltaire 4,965]

Just now, Death said:

The estimated cost is almost $1 trillion, not to mention the chaos, pain and potential violence that will ensue when Trump's storm troopers kick in doors and haul off elderly Aunt Lupe to a concentration camp before deporting her back to some crapola country.

We'll see how it goes. Criminals and welfare recipients first. Personally, I'd be willing to stop there, rather than chase down Aunt Lupe if she's minding her own business.

[Death 142]

I'm curious to see if Trump puts his money where his mouth is in regard to states' rights.

OK, so he's all for those states' rights when it comes to abortion, but what about deportation, gay marriage, social programs, taxes, etc.

[Horseman 1,987]

Nobody cares about ending gender affirming care. Good, neither do I. Libs and the country on the right track finally. 

[Voltaire 4,965]

2 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

This time around Liberals should be worried.  Conservatives have had enough of the Left.  Stamp them out like cockroaches.

Sorry, but enough’s enough.  When they started using the Justice Department as a weapon that ended any chance for compromise in my opinion.  Tell your friends and family to get on the bus, or risk being underneath it.

Political retribution is the can of worms they already opened. President Trump doesn't seem inclined to be very magnanimous about it or letting bygones be bygones and I can't say I blame him after all the artificially fabricated sh*t they put him through personally.

[BrahmaBulls 627]

2 minutes ago, Death said:

I'm curious to see if Trump puts his money where his mouth is in regard to states' rights.

OK, so he's all for those states' rights when it comes to abortion, but what about deportation, gay marriage, social programs, taxes, etc.

States don't have their own taxes now?

[Patented Phil 1,271]

2 minutes ago, Death said:

I'm curious to see if Trump puts his money where his mouth is in regard to states' rights.

OK, so he's all for those states' rights when it comes to abortion, but what about deportation, gay marriage, social programs, taxes, etc.

States don’t have the right to flout Federal law.

[thegeneral 2,496]

14 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

I can't really disagree with that. I'd be happy if he seriously addressed removing those illegal aliens who have proven to be criminal types. Even if it's non-violent crime. 

I completely agree with the idea if you are here illegally and you get caught doing a crime you are out. I’d maybe parse what type of crime but that is a debate worth having.

People who came here and are working doing their thing and don’t have car tabs up to date well I can debate that.

Of course anyone doing drug related crimes, stealing, etc…you are bounced. 

[Voltaire 4,965]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Nobody cares about ending gender affirming care. Good, neither do I. Libs and the country on the right track finally. 

Making the genital mutilators susceptible for lawsuits from the harm they have caused detransitioners should go a great way towards solving the problem.

[Death 142]

How will Trump supporters respond when the tariffs result in massive inflation and business closings.

They were more than happy to blame Biden for recent inflation and business closings whose fault predominantly lies in simple supply-and-demand economics.

Are those Trump supporters ready for the inflation and business closings that the president's actions actually caused?

[Death 142]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Nobody cares about ending gender affirming care. Good, neither do I. Libs and the country on the right track finally. 

I know a couple that celebrated their 9-year-old daughter's announcement that she thinks she's a boy. They were being all trendy despite the daughter likely having no grass on the field. Disgusting. 

And focking taxpayer dollars shouldn't cover gender-affirming care.

[thegeneral 2,496]

9 minutes ago, Death said:

The estimated cost is almost $1 trillion, not to mention the chaos, pain and potential violence that will ensue when Trump's storm troopers kick in doors and haul off elderly Aunt Lupe to a concentration camp before deporting her back to some crapola country.

I hadn’t seen any costs but yeah I’d think it’s very, very high.

Like much of what Trump says I think it’s probably bullshit he throws it at the wall sees what sticks and just goes with that. Then he acts like a little betch when people take him seriously. Quickly moves onto the next self promoting issue.

[Death 142]

5 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

States don't have their own taxes now?

Right. He wants to cut taxes, but does he let the states do what they want to do in regard to income and property taxes?

If a state doesn't want to follow his deportation plan, is he going to send in the military to do it?

 

[Strike 4,814]

11 minutes ago, Death said:

I'm curious to see if Trump puts his money where his mouth is in regard to states' rights.

OK, so he's all for those states' rights when it comes to abortion, but what about deportation, gay marriage, social programs, taxes, etc.

Immigration is a national issue.  It's one of the few designated federal responsibilities in the Constitution.  He shouldn't treat it as a state's rights issue.

[Death 142]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I hadn’t seen any costs but yeah I’d think it’s very, very high.

Like much of what Trump says I think it’s probably bullshit he throws it at the wall sees what sticks and just goes with that. Then he acts like a little betch when people take him seriously. Quickly moves onto the next self promoting issue.

I've seen the numbers. It's almost $1 trillion. And how realistic is it to expect that the deportees won't just slither their way back in?

He said he'd end the war in Ukraine in a day. So should we expect it to be over Jan. 21? 

I want a stronger military. I want lower taxes. I want smaller federal government. 

I'd like to see his second presidency be less noisy than his first, but I fear it's going to be even more chaotic. 

The world is watching.

[Death 142]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Immigration is a national issue.  It's one of the few designated federal responsibilities in the Constitution.  He shouldn't treat it as a state's rights issue.

Abortion is a national issue. The Constitution addresses that just as much as it does immigration.

See? Here we go with choosing states' rights based on what pleases his base.

[Patented Phil 1,271]

13 minutes ago, Death said:

How will Trump supporters respond when the tariffs result in massive inflation and business closings.

They were more than happy to blame Biden for recent inflation and business closings whose fault predominantly lies in simple supply-and-demand economics.

Are those Trump supporters ready for the inflation and business closings that the president's actions actually caused?

Where was all that during Trump‘s first term?

[Patented Phil 1,271]

I was at the Barnes & Noble yesterday and I asked the clerk if they had Donald Trump's new book on how to deport illegal immigrants.

She said, "Get the fock out of here and don't come back."  I said, "Yes, that's the one. Do you have it in paperback?"

[Strike 4,814]

5 minutes ago, Death said:

Abortion is a national issue. The Constitution addresses that just as much as it does immigration.

See? Here we go with choosing states' rights based on what pleases his base.

Actually it doesn't.  But you do you.

[BrahmaBulls 627]

17 minutes ago, Death said:

Right. He wants to cut taxes, but does he let the states do what they want to do in regard to income and property taxes?

If a state doesn't want to follow his deportation plan, is he going to send in the military to do it?

 

States can't change federal taxes but can set their own state income taxes.  WTF are you even talking about?

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

42 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

States don’t have the right to flout Federal law.

Ahahahahahaha

Give me “things conservatives never say unless one of their own is President” for $500 please 

[Fireballer 2,599]

32 minutes ago, Death said:

Abortion is a national issue. The Constitution addresses that just as much as it does immigration.

See? Here we go with choosing states' rights based on what pleases his base.

So you’re comparing abortion and plenary power of controlling immigration?  JFC

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

50 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

This time around Liberals should be worried.  Conservatives have had enough of the Left.  Stamp them out like cockroaches.

Sorry, but enough’s enough.  When they started using the Justice Department as a weapon that ended any chance for compromise in my opinion.  Tell your friends and family to get on the bus, or risk being underneath it.

Here’s the deal: the main reason that Trump won so resoundingly is because inflation. The public wants prices to come down and didn’t believe Harris could do it. They don’t give a crap about retribution. I know you do but they don’t. 
If Trump focuses on retribution he may make conservatives like you happy but for most people it will be regarded as overreach. Right now Trump has real opportunities to put through some things that conservatives have always believed will benefit the country, like deregulation and a transformed energy policy. Now is your chance. Dont blow it on revenge or Democrats will take control right back. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the deal: the main reason that Trump won so resoundingly is because inflation. The public wants prices to come down and didn’t believe Harris could do it. They don’t give a crap about retribution. I know you do but they don’t. 
If Trump focuses on retribution he may make conservatives like you happy but for most people it will be regarded as overreach. Right now Trump has real opportunities to put through some things that conservatives have always believed will benefit the country, like deregulation and a transformed energy policy. Now is your chance. Dont blow it on revenge or Democrats will take control right back. 

I thought you said Taylor Swift was going to be huge for the democrats? 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

So you’re comparing abortion and plenary power of controlling immigration?  JFC

The federal government has the power and the responsibility to control our borders, and regulate immigration. 
But as regards undocumented immigrants already here? I’m not sure they have the legal right to deal with that. They certainly don’t have the right to force local authorities to cooperate with them. 
 

Example: let’s say next year the head of ICE demands that the chief of police of San Francisco turn over lists of all persons living there suspected to be undocumented immigrants, so that they can begin deportation. The Chief of police says “sorry but Governor Newsom has instructed me to refuse to give you that information.” It goes to court and ultimately to the Supreme Court. Who wins? I suspect the state of California wins. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I thought you said Taylor Swift was going to be huge for the democrats? 

This thread isn’t about the campaign. 

[jerryskids 6,170]

4 hours ago, Horseman said:

I'll give it a go because it's pretty clear our band of board lefties are struggling with what you're even asking for, even if they were able to articulate.  Heavy emphasis on "potentially" though because as I read his policy, and nothing else, I don't see much a rational human could be concerned about.

#1 - Trump recently came out with a policy to END Gender Affirming Care.  He's going to cut all funding, make it illegal, and set up a victims fund to sue doctors.  He wants to pass a bill that defines only two genders MALE and FEMALE assigned at birth!!!

Why it's a concern:

- my kids have gender dysphoria and I'm afraid they won't be able to be the sex they truly are that makes them happy! 

- only having two genders immediately discriminates against all my friends that are BTQRZ.

- I fear that this will empower hatred towards the alphabet community.

Sorry, I missed his the first time thru.  Will add to the list.

2 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Here's one. Trump will remove the ability to aquire American citizenship if someone is born here to illegal aliens. I'm good with it. We need to be selective as a country.

Not sure about this but I'll add it.

2 hours ago, Strike said:

I'm concerned about an increase in unemployment of unemployable non skilled people due to massive layoffs in the Federal Government by Elon's efficiency initiatives.

Great one!  I was going to add this later; great minds think alike.   

[thegeneral 2,496]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The federal government has the power and the responsibility to control our borders, and regulate immigration. 
But as regards undocumented immigrants already here? I’m not sure they have the legal right to deal with that. They certainly don’t have the right to force local authorities to cooperate with them. 
 

Example: let’s say next year the head of ICE demands that the chief of police of San Francisco turn over lists of all persons living there suspected to be undocumented immigrants, so that they can begin deportation. The Chief of police says “sorry but Governor Newsom has instructed me to refuse to give you that information.” It goes to court and ultimately to the Supreme Court. Who wins? I suspect the state of California wins. 

This is probably true but would be a big win for Trump IMO. Gets to say he tried.

Now places that went along with him I think would be a disaster. People are picturing dudes with face tattoos being dragged out in cuffs. This would not be the case.

[BrahmaBulls 627]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the deal: the main reason that Trump won so resoundingly is because inflation. The public wants prices to come down and didn’t believe Harris could do it. They don’t give a crap about retribution. I know you do but they don’t. 
If Trump focuses on retribution he may make conservatives like you happy but for most people it will be regarded as overreach. Right now Trump has real opportunities to put through some things that conservatives have always believed will benefit the country, like deregulation and a transformed energy policy. Now is your chance. Dont blow it on revenge or Democrats will take control right back. 

Still clueless about what happened on Tuesday

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Still clueless about what happened on Tuesday

So you don’t believe that inflation was the main reason?