Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

[Fireballer 2,599]

31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The federal government has the power and the responsibility to control our borders, and regulate immigration. 
But as regards undocumented immigrants already here? I’m not sure they have the legal right to deal with that. They certainly don’t have the right to force local authorities to cooperate with them. 
 

Example: let’s say next year the head of ICE demands that the chief of police of San Francisco turn over lists of all persons living there suspected to be undocumented immigrants, so that they can begin deportation. The Chief of police says “sorry but Governor Newsom has instructed me to refuse to give you that information.” It goes to court and ultimately to the Supreme Court. Who wins? I suspect the state of California wins. 

No Tim, that’s not how it will go down.  I know you think Trump is an idiot, but I’m pretty sure someone in his admin knows that compelling states to enforce federal law has been interpreted as a 10th amendment violation. 

[mmmmm...beer 781]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Second concern: I want to know how this mass deportation is going to work. I do not want people who look like they might not be citizens (whatever that looks like) harassed by police and asked for papers. I do not want people encouraged to report on their neighbors, or employers asked to turn in to the police or ICE the names of people they know or suspect to be undocumented. I see this whole thing as being really ugly and scary. 

They have been giving many of these folks free housing, welfare, daycare etc... I would expect there to be some sort of registration for that?

[mmmmm...beer 781]

Wouldn't another thing be for an immediate arrest of breaking the law.  Once ID'd as an illegal,  they go in holding until the next ICE bus and you're out.

[jbycho 209]

22 minutes ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Wouldn't another thing be for an immediate arrest of breaking the law.  Once ID'd as an illegal,  they go in holding until the next ICE bus and you're out.

Right. 

I don't get why everyone is calling this impossible and costly. Just lock down the border, no one get's in for the next couple years at least, and methodically and orderly round up people who aren't here legally and bus them to the border. "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

Of course they can't get EVERY ONE of them, but it will uphold the law, slowly clean up our streets, free up our emergency care in our hospitals, provide jobs in law enforcement, reduce crime, and send a message to the world to respect our citizenship process if anyone wants to come here in the future. 

If the illegal is found to have been a got-away in how they got into this country, quick prosecution and decide a proper punishment. And they don't get public defenders because they aren't citizens. 

[Patented Phil 1,275]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the deal: the main reason that Trump won so resoundingly is because inflation. The public wants prices to come down and didn’t believe Harris could do it. They don’t give a crap about retribution. I know you do but they don’t. 
If Trump focuses on retribution he may make conservatives like you happy but for most people it will be regarded as overreach. Right now Trump has real opportunities to put through some things that conservatives have always believed will benefit the country, like deregulation and a transformed energy policy. Now is your chance. Dont blow it on revenge or Democrats will take control right back. 

You sound pretty cocksure for a guy who just got it all wrong.  

[jbycho 209]

15 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

You sound pretty cocksure for a guy who just got it all wrong.  

He's telling us why we voted the way we did. I wonder if if he would agree to our assessments of why he voted? 

[Patented Phil 1,275]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

So you don’t believe that inflation was the main reason? 

The number one concern expressed in the exit polls was the threat to democracy (73%).  This feeling was felt in both parties, as 51% of Republicans and 48% of Democrats felt this way.  So supporters of both parties felt democracy was threatened by the other side.  That is the mandate given to Republicans in this election - deal once and for all with Leftists like you.

[Horseman 1,987]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the deal: the main reason that Trump won so resoundingly is because inflation. The public wants prices to come down and didn’t believe Harris could do it. They don’t give a crap about retribution. I know you do but they don’t. 
If Trump focuses on retribution he may make conservatives like you happy but for most people it will be regarded as overreach. Right now Trump has real opportunities to put through some things that conservatives have always believed will benefit the country, like deregulation and a transformed energy policy. Now is your chance. Dont blow it on revenge or Democrats will take control right back. 

Alphas can multitask.

Don't worry everyone Tim's mind was so consumed he wasn't going to post for months. Because he was wrong about EVERYTHING. 

Good news is he's recovered and back to set us all straight. 

[Horseman 1,987]

2 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

The number one concern expressed in the exit polls was the threat to democracy (73%).  This feeling was felt in both parties, as 51% of Republicans and 48% of Democrats felt this way.  So supporters of both parties felt democracy was threatened by the other side.  That is the mandate given to Republicans in this election - deal once and for all with Leftists like you.

[Horseman 1,987]

13 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Right. 

I don't get why everyone is calling this impossible and costly. 

Simpletons. 

Musk just put more satellites in space than all previous humans before him combined. Moving a few million people out of a country is child's play. 

[jbycho 209]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Simpletons. 

Musk just put more satellites in space than all previous humans before him combined. Moving a few million people out of a country is child's play. 

Right. Look how quickly and easily Obama got the illegals out of Martha's Vineyard. 

[supermike80 1,600]

6 hours ago, jbycho said:

Right. 

I don't get why everyone is calling this impossible and costly. Just lock down the border, no one get's in for the next couple years at least, and methodically and orderly round up people who aren't here legally and bus them to the border. "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

Of course they can't get EVERY ONE of them, but it will uphold the law, slowly clean up our streets, free up our emergency care in our hospitals, provide jobs in law enforcement, reduce crime, and send a message to the world to respect our citizenship process if anyone wants to come here in the future. 

If the illegal is found to have been a got-away in how they got into this country, quick prosecution and decide a proper punishment. And they don't get public defenders because they aren't citizens. 

This is exactly the method i discussed with a co worker thursday. First step is to close the border and keep up the rhetoric. If you come, you will get sent back.  Make it clear to some dude in Honduras to not even try.  

Then slowly work the problem here.  As you are found, youll be tossed.  It wont be quick but over time it will help.  The damage was done, cant fix it overnight

[League Champion 1,790]

MSNBC is spun out! 

Does anyone actually watch that crap? Some of the shizz they're spewing is hilarious . 

Now they're blaming Toxic Masculinity for Trump winning. Not the fact that Kamala is an idiot and ran the worst campaign in the History of campaigns.  

 

[nobody 2,468]

Just repurpose the 30,000 IRS employees Biden hired to make sure the 800 billionaires in the US and not lower class folks paid their fair share to round up illegals.  

[League Champion 1,790]

29 minutes ago, nobody said:

30,000 IRS employees

Bye bye bitches 

[cmh6476 918]

Saw someone post this on Facebook this morning.   Is there merit to all of this?

The Trump effect—just 48 hours since his election win:

 

1. Appoints the first-ever woman as chief of staff.

 

2. The Taliban signals a wish to be removed from the terrorist list.

 

3. Putin announces the West is no longer viewed as an enemy.

 

4. Mexico discourages large caravans from heading to the U.S. border.

 

5. New York halts food vouchers for illegal immigrants.

 

6. China expresses a desire for peaceful coexistence with America.

 

7. European Union leaders announce plans to prioritize American gas over Russian supplies.

 

8. Hamas calls for an end to the war.

 

9. Bitcoin hits an all-time high.

 

10. The stock market soars to new records.

[Hawkeye21 2,216]

My biggest concern is how the tariffs will affect everyone.  Other than that I don't have any major concerns.

How Trump is going to handle deporting immigrants is a bit of a concern and I worry about our environment with Trump in charge.  Trump has always seemed to put business and money over taking care of the land.

[League Champion 1,790]

7 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Saw someone post this on Facebook this morning.   Is there merit to all of this?

The Trump effect—just 48 hours since his election win:

 

1. Appoints the first-ever woman as chief of staff.

 

2. The Taliban signals a wish to be removed from the terrorist list.

 

3. Putin announces the West is no longer viewed as an enemy.

 

4. Mexico discourages large caravans from heading to the U.S. border.

 

5. New York halts food vouchers for illegal immigrants.

 

6. China expresses a desire for peaceful coexistence with America.

 

7. European Union leaders announce plans to prioritize American gas over Russian supplies.

 

8. Hamas calls for an end to the war.

 

9. Bitcoin hits an all-time high.

 

10. The stock market soars to new records.

.  Could all be true, I know for a fact that most of them are. 

[jerryskids 6,173]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

So you don’t believe that inflation was the main reason? 

No, but I'll expand on that later.

9 hours ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Wouldn't another thing be for an immediate arrest of breaking the law.  Once ID'd as an illegal,  they go in holding until the next ICE bus and you're out.

I would think you'd need to be convicted, not just arrested.  Also, one possible unintended consequence of this is that some jurisdictions will just flat out not arrest, and certainly not convict, illegal aliens.  I think we already see this to some extent.  It would get worse.

10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

My biggest concern is how the tariffs will affect everyone.  Other than that I don't have any major concerns.

How Trump is going to handle deporting immigrants is a bit of a concern and I worry about our environment with Trump in charge.  Trump has always seemed to put business and money over taking care of the land.

Environment is a good one, I'll add that to the list.  

[League Champion 1,790]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, but I'll expand on that later.

I would think you'd need to be convicted, not just arrested.  Also, one possible unintended consequence of this is that some jurisdictions will just flat out not arrest, and certainly not convict, illegal aliens.  I think we already see this to some extent.  It would get worse.

Environment is a good one, I'll add that to the list.  

I'm afraid that Trump is going to remove Tampons from the Men's bathrooms  

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

31 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Saw someone post this on Facebook this morning.   Is there merit to all of this?

The Trump effect—just 48 hours since his election win:

 

1. Appoints the first-ever woman as chief of staff.

 

2. The Taliban signals a wish to be removed from the terrorist list.

 

3. Putin announces the West is no longer viewed as an enemy.

 

4. Mexico discourages large caravans from heading to the U.S. border.

 

5. New York halts food vouchers for illegal immigrants.

 

6. China expresses a desire for peaceful coexistence with America.

 

7. European Union leaders announce plans to prioritize American gas over Russian supplies.

 

8. Hamas calls for an end to the war.

 

9. Bitcoin hits an all-time high.

 

10. The stock market soars to new records.

Some of these are hopeful signs , some not so much. Let’s break them down: 

1. I would have rather had a first female President, but this is fine. She seems very capable and insisted on more authority than his previous chiefs. So I’m optimistic. Fun fact: does everyone know by now she is the daughter of Pat Summerall? 
 

2. I’m sure they do. Let them stop acting like terrorists first. Also would help if they weren’t one of the most evil, repressive governments in modern history. But small steps right? 

3. Putin is a murderer and his invasion of Ukraine has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands. Let him end the war and pledge to respect the sovereignty of those nations around him and we can have peace. If Trump can achieve that more power to him. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

4. Discourage? What does this mean? As I’ve written before these are desperate people fleeing starvation with nowhere to go. If we ultimately don’t want them to come here then we need to figure out another solution. 

5. What does this accomplish? So now they won’t eat? Do you think this will increase or decrease the chance of crime? 

6. When didn’t they? Again they can prove it by offering better trade deals, by pledging not to invade Taiwan, by keeping their promise to respect Hong Kong’s independence, by releasing their political prisoners, by pressuring their main client state, North Korea, to do similar things. If Trump can achieve all of this or many of this, he will be a great President. Why not? I’m hopeful. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

7. Not sure what this means. 
 

8. Release the hostages. Recognize the State of Israel. Respect free elections in Gaza. Then we can talk. Like the Taliban and Putin I regard Hamas as evil. They can prove me wrong by doing these things and they can have peace overnight if they do. 

9. I started a thread about bitcoin a while back because I wanted to understand it better. I still don’t, but my suspicion remains that this is a pyramid scheme. Still if there are millions of investors involved then I’m happy for them; I don’t like it when anyone loses money. So I hope the prosperity lasts. Other than that I’m indifferent. 

10. Always good news. Overall it’s been doing well for a few years now. Let’s keep it going. 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

13 hours ago, thegeneral said:

This is a very legitimate concern!

Indeed. I might phrase it a little differently because I’m, you know, sane, but @Strike is right to be worried about the economic impacts of a plan to axe huge numbers of federal employees 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

13 hours ago, nobody said:

Also on the tariff stuff.  

China likes to subsidize their exports.  In other words, in some cases they pay for part of the cost of the goods sold to get the industry floated.  China will not allow their GDP to shrink.  It's a game of chicken.  

China regularly steals US intellectual property.  China regularly imposes unfair business practices on foreign businesses.  What they do is they force any country that wants to sell foreign goods in China to make huge investments in China or force them to be partially owned by China.  Then the Chinese steal all of the IP and create a knock off version of the product.  

The DoD doesn't even let us source parts from China because they are wrought with counterfeits and are shady as hell.

It's worth getting into a staring contest with China over this.  The trade relationship is completely one sided and will help China eventually eat our lunch.  We need chip manufacturers onshore and we need to stop letting China take advantage of us like we're some pitiful helpless giant and they're not a threat to us.  

Tariffs are a tool to help renegotiate their shìtty trade deals that they cheat on constantly anyway.

I don’t think you’re even remotely ready for the sorrow and pain that comes with those trade wars, but I dunno, maybe Trump is right and somehow this works. Historically that would be a huge aberration (see the Great Depression), but I guess it’s possible Trump knows something no one else does 

[nobody 2,468]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

4. Discourage? What does this mean? As I’ve written before these are desperate people fleeing starvation with nowhere to go. If we ultimately don’t want them to come here then we need to figure out another solution. 

 

What the hell?  Why do we need to solve the poverty problems of every other country?

The solution is don't come here.

Why would you take on everyone else's problems with no return on investment?  How about this?  You want us to fix your country's poverty problems?  How about we get some considerations in the form of resources or land?  

Why do lefties think our government and tax dollars are the world's charity fund?

[nobody 2,468]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t think you’re even remotely ready for the sorrow and pain that comes with those trade wars, but I dunno, maybe Trump is right and somehow this works. Historically that would be a huge aberration (see the Great Depression), but I guess it’s possible Trump knows something no one else does 

I've been very ready for it.  I've been calling for it for 15 years.

But again... Know that trump uses brinkmanship.  You're used to the passive policies of past administrations.  Trump doesn't work that way.

[IGotWorms 4,028]

Just now, nobody said:

I've been very ready for it.  I've been calling for it for 15 years.

Well, your fellow Americans won’t be. But most likely it was all bluster and nothing substantial will really occur

[nobody 2,468]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Well, your fellow Americans won’t be. But most likely it was all bluster and nothing substantial will really occur

Agree that  the bluster part.  He put tariffs on a whole slew of Chinese goods last time he was in charge.  I don't know why everyone is peeing their pants this time around.

[nobody 2,468]

Also, do yourselves a favor and familiarize yourself with brinkmanship and how it's been used throughout history.  It's his favorite tool, and he's actually pretty good at it.

I kept bringing this up 4 years ago and it fell on deaf ears.  Guess what...  It's time for round 2.  If you're passive, you won't like it and will probably spend 4 years shìtting your pants.

[IGotWorms 4,028]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

Also, do yourselves a favor and familiarize yourself with brinkmanship and how it's been used throughout history.  It's his favorite tool, and he's actually pretty good at it.

I kept bringing this up 4 years ago and it fell on deaf ears.  Guess what...  It's time for round 2.  If you're passive, you won't like it and will probably spend 4 years shìtting your pants.

Certainly there’s a time and place for it, but the problem with brinkmanship is… you’re at the brink. So if you get it wrong even once, whoops over the edge you go into oblivion.

[Hawkeye21 2,216]

17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t think you’re even remotely ready for the sorrow and pain that comes with those trade wars, but I dunno, maybe Trump is right and somehow this works. Historically that would be a huge aberration (see the Great Depression), but I guess it’s possible Trump knows something no one else does 

If Trump completely gets rid of income tax then I will feel a lot better about the tariffs.  I would rather pay the tariffs than get taxed.

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If Trump completely gets rid of income tax then I will feel a lot better about the tariffs.  I would rather pay the tariffs than get taxed.

It might be better for you- temporarily- but it’s not better for the nation. The key to economic prosperity is to have trade taxed as low as possible and instead tax income earned. That’s capitalism 101. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

I’m concerned that democrats won’t have abortion to run on and they might pull their head out of their ass. 

[Death 143]

15 hours ago, Fireballer said:

So you’re comparing abortion and plenary power of controlling immigration?  JFC

 

I haven't said one issue was more important than another. I was responding to the assertion that abortion wasn't a national issue. 

Immigration being a national issue doesn't mean abortion isn't one.

There's that baffling MAGA pretzel logic again.

Abortion is a national issue whether you like it or not, and Trump's position is that it's up to states to decide that.

If he's all about those states' rights, if California doesn't want to kick in a door and drag off Aunt Lupe to a prison camp before air dropping her back into Chalupalajara, Trump should support that state's choice.

[shorepatrol 1,828]

6 minutes ago, Death said:

 

 

If he's all about those states' rights, if California doesn't want to kick in a door and drag off Aunt Lupe to a prison camp before air dropping her back into Chalupalajara, Trump should support that state's choice.

Cool, withhold all federal funding to California. Do what you do but not with my federal taxes 

[Death 143]

2 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Cool, withhold all federal funding to California. Do what you do but not with my federal taxes 

We shall see just how much of this Project 25 actually takes place, but you can bet that the next four years under Trump will be an epic clown show, moreso than his first term. 

[jbycho 209]

15 minutes ago, Death said:

 

I haven't said one issue was more important than another. I was responding to the assertion that abortion wasn't a national issue. 

Immigration being a national issue doesn't mean abortion isn't one.

There's that baffling MAGA pretzel logic again.

Abortion is a national issue whether you like it or not, and Trump's position is that it's up to states to decide that.

If he's all about those states' rights, if California doesn't want to kick in a door and drag off Aunt Lupe to a prison camp before air dropping her back into Chalupalajara, Trump should support that state's choice.

Somebody has been watching The View. 

[League Champion 1,790]

26 minutes ago, Death said:

Abortion is a national issue whether you like it or not, and Trump's position is that it's up to states to decide that.

Jesus Christ, how many abortions are you people having? Grandma can't get insulin but your worried about abortions? 

[shorepatrol 1,828]

17 minutes ago, Death said:

We shall see just how much of this Project 25 actually takes place, but you can bet that the next four years under Trump will be an epic clown show, moreso than his first term. 

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