New York Times admits it was lawfare

[jerryskids 6,174]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Bill Clinton reached a settlement, they released details of the settlement. He paid the money.  

Trump didn’t have a settlement, he claims it’s a lie, these payments were hidden. That this was election interference is debatable, but don’t see how one can argue he wasn’t trying to hide this for any other reason.

Those are differences. Not sure how this isn’t clear.

It being a political winning issue is a separate issue.

No, that's clear, but you still don't get my message.

Here, let me try a different way.  If there were different differences, NY would have found a way to turn those into slightly different but still creative felonies, and you'd be here arguing that (different differences) are what's really important$#@!

 

[Death 146]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I think it was meant as a thought experiment.

But if you are asking if any politician in the history of ever has paid off concubines as hush money... Ima say yes.  Bill Clinton with Paula Jones?  The best is probably John Edwards though.  Good read on it:

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-edwards-last-presidential-candidate-charged-with-campaign-finance-violations-2023-3

This quote sums it up nicely:

And that wasn't the highly biased, partisan scenario laid out in the op ed, including a DA who campaigned on getting Trump.

Look, I get it, you've chugged the blue kool aid on this, and honestly think Trump should be punished for 34 felonies.  It'll be particularly hard for folks like @Death and @squistionto no longer be able to call Trump a 34-time convicted felon, once the case is dismissed.   

I'll keep calling him a convicted felon regardless, because that's what he is. 

A jury of his peers - including a MAGA on the panel - unanimously found him guilty.

I don't have an issue with putting all those cases behind us and moving forward. The optics are not good.

Let's see if Trump can show some class and restraint by not launching a bunch of frivolous investigations into Biden and anyone else who has opposed or disagreed with him.

He has more important issues to address.

[nobody 2,469]

Indeed, hopefully trump will not also have AGs abuse their power to target political rivals.  This shouldn't be a tit-for-tat moment.

[thegeneral 2,500]

Just now, jerryskids said:

No, that's clear, but you still don't get my message.

Here, let me try a different way.  If there were different differences, NY would have found a way to turn those into slightly different but still creative felonies, and you'd be here arguing that (different differences) are what's really important$#@!

 

Yeah I don’t get your message. 

We don’t have any similar cases. Just conservatives upset that Trump got busted and a million whatabouts.

Clinton got dragged for years. Edwards who you brought up too. Trump gets his and it’s a bunch of tears and how the free world is ending.

[seafoam1 2,545]

2 minutes ago, Death said:

I'll keep calling him a convicted felon regardless, because I don't know WTF I am talking about. And I'm hurt

Poor pimpledoosh. This guy is hurting bad. 

[thegeneral 2,500]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

Indeed, hopefully trump will not also have AGs abuse their power to target political rivals.  This shouldn't be a tit-for-tat moment.

He fired how many because they wouldn’t do that

[nobody 2,469]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He fired how many because they wouldn’t do that

Well hopefully he doesn't moving forward.

[thegeneral 2,500]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

Well hopefully he doesn't moving forward.

Picking Matt Foxking Gaetz isn’t a good harbinger of events wouldn’t you say

[jerryskids 6,174]

19 minutes ago, Death said:

I'll keep calling him a convicted felon regardless, because that's what he is. 

A jury of his peers - including a MAGA on the panel - unanimously found him guilty.

I don't have an issue with putting all those cases behind us and moving forward. The optics are not good.

Let's see if Trump can show some class and restraint by not launching a bunch of frivolous investigations into Biden and anyone else who has opposed or disagreed with him.

He has more important issues to address.

He is not a convicted felon until the verdict is accepted by the court at the sentencing hearing.  If the case is dropped, he will not be and never have been a convicted felon.

If you continue to call him that, you will look even dumber on this topic than you already do, which is a lofty achievement.  

 

[nobody 2,469]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Picking Matt Foxking Gaetz isn’t a good harbinger of events wouldn’t you say

All I know about him is he seems to have paid some pimp for underage sex, so I have no idea if he's going to abuse his position to attack political rivals, but it's not a good start.

[thegeneral 2,500]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

All I know about him is he seems to have paid some pimp for underage sex, so I have no idea if he's going to abuse his position to attack political rivals, but it's not a good start.

Yeah. Besides that you should look into his political leanings and his demeanor as a politician.

[nobody 2,469]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Yeah. Besides that you should look into his political leanings and his demeanor as a politician.

I can just look at his face and tell he's probably a complete asshōle.  It oozes out of him.

[Mike Honcho 4,732]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

He is not a convicted felon until the verdict is accepted by the court at the sentencing hearing.  If the case is dropped, he will not be and never have been a convicted felon.

If you continue to call him that, you will look even dumber on this topic than you already do, which is a lofty achievement.  

 

Depends on the state and that's not how it works in NY.  As I read it, in NY you are convicted upon receiving the verdict. 

Quote

 

NY Criminal Procedure Law 1.20(13)-(15)
13. “Conviction” means the entry of a plea of guilty to, or a verdict of guilty upon, an accusatory instrument other than a felony complaint, or to one or more counts of such instrument.

14. “Sentence” means the imposition and entry of sentence upon a conviction.

15. “Judgment.” A judgment is comprised of a conviction and the sentence imposed thereon and is completed by imposition and entry of the sentence.

 

ETA: I think I read in CA that it's when sentencing has been completed that you are convicted---so it varies. 

[thegeneral 2,500]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

I can just look at his face and tell he's probably a complete asshōle.  It oozes out of him.

he does have an unfortunate look to him.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Judge Merchan adjourns Trump sentencing in hush money case

another one coming to an end

 

 

Can stop claiming he’s a convicted felon  now libtards. lol. 

[jerryskids 6,174]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Depends on the state and that's not how it works in NY.  As I read it, in NY you are convicted upon receiving the verdict. 

 

Could be, I'm not a lawyer.  But I don't know what "other than a felony complaint" means, but these were felonies.   

[Death 146]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

He is not a convicted felon until the verdict is accepted by the court at the sentencing hearing.  If the case is dropped, he will not be and never have been a convicted felon.

If you continue to call him that, you will look even dumber on this topic than you already do, which is a lofty achievement.  

 

You're just clinging to a technicality dingleberry.

Trump is a convicted felon.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,425]

6 minutes ago, Death said:

You're just clinging to a technicality dingleberry.

Trump is a convicted felon.

You're a moron.  That is undeniable.  I'm sorry you're bizarre behavior is a result of the massive rejection of your views by America amid a historic landslide victory.

Has the election pushed you completely over the edge?  Time to take some time off and recalibrate.  We'll welcome you  back to reality when you're ready. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,414]

5 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Is there an actual example, like we have with Trump and the donations to Stormy, or just the slippery what if slope?

Who gives a shizz about Trump banging a and paying her off? 

Why do you people even care about that, it's pointless. 

Jesus Christ, Biden's own Daughter said He molested her. Not one peep out of you  

[thegeneral 2,500]

25 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Who gives a shizz about Trump banging a and paying her off? 

Why do you people even care about that, it's pointless. 

Jesus Christ, Biden's own Daughter said He molested her. Not one peep out of you  

If it didn’t matter then why did he pay her off and lie about it?

[nobody 2,469]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If it didn’t matter then why did he pay her off and lie about it?

Because he didn't want people to know that he banged her and paid her off, obviously.

[Maximum Overkill 1,414]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If it didn’t matter then why did he pay her off and lie about it?

HE DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO FIND OUT, WHO CARES!  ITS A USELESS WHOOORE. 

[thegeneral 2,500]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Because he didn't want people to know that he banged her and paid her off, obviously.

Right. Stick in the ass conservative voters who he needed. 

[thegeneral 2,500]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

HE DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO FIND OUT, WHO CARES!  ITS A USELESS WHOOORE. 

You answered your own question. He clearly cares.

[Maximum Overkill 1,414]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Right. Stick in the ass conservative voters who he needed. 

I still can't figure out why this spins you out so much but Joe Biden Molesting his daughter doesn't move the needle for you. 

Can't you at least call it as you see it sometimes? 

You can be a hardcore Lib and still be honest with yourself 

[Maximum Overkill 1,414]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You answered your own question. He clearly cares.

And??? 

[jbycho 212]

I'm just glad Trump won. 

[thegeneral 2,500]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I still can't figure out why this spins you out so much but Joe Biden Molesting his daughter doesn't move the needle for you. 

Can't you at least call it as you see it sometimes? 

You can be a hardcore Lib and still be honest with yourself 

This doesn’t spin me out. He got caught here. That he still claims he didn’t bang her is pretty good schtick though. 

I don’t believe Joe Biden molested his daughter. 

[thegeneral 2,500]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And??? 

Isn’t that the gist of the lawsuit. He used campaign funds to cover up his affair and that was in order to influence voters?

We just went through the whole thing!

[shadrap 166]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This doesn’t spin me out. He got caught here. That he still claims he didn’t bang her is pretty good schtick though. 

I don’t believe Joe Biden molested his daughter. 

cool, you believe one side & not the other.  I imagine it's that way with you depending on whether they are Dem or Repub.  Like that with a lot of people.  Pretty sure you believed Christine Balsey Ford with her story about attempted rape by Kavanaugh?  correct?

[thegeneral 2,500]

8 minutes ago, shadrap said:

cool, you believe one side & not the other.  I imagine it's that way with you depending on whether they are Dem or Repub.  Like that with a lot of people.  Pretty sure you believed Christine Balsey Ford with her story about attempted rape by Kavanaugh?  correct?

Yeah I def believe Trump banged Stormy, you don’t?

I don’t believe that Biden molested his daughter, you do?

[shadrap 166]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah I def believe Trump banged Stormy, you don’t?

I don’t believe that Biden molested his daughter, you do?

Probably banged Stormy.

Molesting?  Not sure.  Taking showers with your daughter is not something that is right.  I doubt he banged his daughter.  touchy feely thing?  probably.

so you believed Christine Ford & her attempted rape story?

[thegeneral 2,500]

2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Probably banged Stormy.

Molesting?  Not sure.  Taking showers with your daughter is not something that is right.  I doubt he banged his daughter.  touchy feely thing?  probably.

so you believed Christine Ford & her attempted rape story?

Who knows with these allegations from decades ago. I def recall some eyebrow raising circumstances and surprised at some of Kavanaugh’s responses and his overall demeanor was bizarre. It has been awhile however.

[Maximum Overkill 1,414]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Who knows with these allegations from decades ago. I def recall some eyebrow raising circumstances and surprised at some of Kavanaugh’s responses and his overall demeanor was bizarre. It has been awhile however.

But your not spun out by Biden, because he's one of your own? C'mon General, you're better than that. 

[Patented Phil 1,276]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Quote

Democrats should imagine instead that charges were brought in Texas and Alabama against Joe Biden using novel and untested approaches challenging how he spent money while campaigning. Those cases would be brought by hard-core Republican prosecutors, before juries and judges in deeply Republican counties. The justices of the State Supreme Courts would have all been selected in partisan elections. Every single one is a Republican. That would seem outrageous.

 

It’s such a sad commentary on where we are at as a society that:

a) fair minded Democrats couldn’t see the simple, undeniable bias in that prosecution

b) courts of law - I don’t care how Liberal they were in nature- actually ruled on it

c) the media - specifically The NY Times - only acknowledged this after Trump won the election in a landslide.

[Patented Phil 1,276]

5 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Too late for apologies and the it’s part of the game shrug.  All involved in lawfare took their shot at destroying democracy.  They failed and now it’s time to pay the price.  

I absolutely agree with this.  Make an example out of them - just like the Democrats did with the J6’ers.

[shadrap 166]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Who knows with these allegations from decades ago. I def recall some eyebrow raising circumstances and surprised at some of Kavanaugh’s responses and his overall demeanor was bizarre. It has been awhile however.

of course you believed her.  she was on your side.  that is all I'm pointing out.  your believe it factor is whether they are Dem or Repub. & I know from your posting you will not accept that.

fine.

[thegeneral 2,500]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

of course you believed her.  she was on your side.  that is all I'm pointing out.  your believe it factor is whether they are Dem or Repub. & I know from your posting you will not accept that.

fine.

I don’t remember believing her or him either way. Just what I said that there was some pretty strong circumstantial evidence brought up and that he acted pretty oddly at times during the confirmation.

[Maximum Overkill 1,414]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t remember believing her or him either way. Just what I said that there was some pretty strong circumstantial evidence brought up and that he acted pretty oddly at times during the confirmation.

Joe Biden molested his own Daughter 

[Strike 4,815]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t remember believing her or him either way. Just what I said that there was some pretty strong circumstantial evidence brought up and that he acted pretty oddly at times during the confirmation.

There literally wasn't.  Not a shred.  In fact, her best friend that she said she went to the party with said she didn't remember the party or ever meeting Kavanaugh.  The only "evidence" she had was that she told a therapist 30 years later but IIRC she didn't give a name.  All the actual evidence was exculpatory.