Hardcore troubadour 14,164 Posted November 21 Eli and Coughlin in the finals. Both are shoe ins, let’s hope they don’t make either wait. The two of them going in together would be perfect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,310 Posted November 21 Coughlin to me is a better coach than Belicheat. Brought an expansion team to the Conf finals, in just 5 years. Outcoached Belicheat in TWO super bowls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,164 Posted November 21 1 minute ago, edjr said: Coughlin to me is a better coach than Belicheat. Brought an expansion team to the Conf finals, in just 5 years. Outcoached Belicheat in TWO super bowls. Good to see you Ed. I actually had you in mind when I posted this. Belicheck was warning the Pats about the Giants saying how well coached they were. I remember watching whole games with little or no offensive penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,310 Posted November 21 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Good to see you Ed. I actually had you in mind when I posted this. Belicheck was warning the Pats about the Giants saying how well coached they were. I remember watching whole games with little or no offensive penalties. Sad what coaching is in the NFL today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 1,664 Posted November 22 On 11/21/2024 at 10:45 AM, Hardcore troubadour said: Eli and Coughlin in the finals. Both are shoe ins, let’s hope they don’t make either wait. The two of them going in together would be perfect. Eli's a shoe in? I guess he won 2 Super Bowls for a NY team. Winning one was good enough to get Namath in, which in hindsight is absurd. Eli's career stats are good enough for the HOF, but he was a compiler who stayed healthy and played a million games. There was never a point in his career that he was a top 5 QB in the league, he never led the NFL in rating, TDs, or yardage over a full season, his career int. rate and rating are atrocious compared to other HOFers. He won 2 Super Bowls, both against the Pats in their dynastic heyday, because the Giants had a dominant defensive line and great coaching. I always liked Eli and don't have anything against the Giants, but he is not HOF worthy. HOF voters put waaaay too much emphasis on winning Super Bowls, especially for QBs. So I guess he'll probably get in. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Melon 595 Posted November 22 If Eli gets in, he should thank Brandon Merriweather and Wes Welker in his acceptance speech Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,164 Posted November 22 50 minutes ago, Fnord said: Eli's a shoe in? I guess he won 2 Super Bowls for a NY team. Winning one was good enough to get Namath in, which in hindsight is absurd. Eli's career stats are good enough for the HOF, but he was a compiler who stayed healthy and played a million games. There was never a point in his career that he was a top 5 QB in the league, he never led the NFL in rating, TDs, or yardage over a full season, his career int. rate and rating are atrocious compared to other HOFers. He won 2 Super Bowls, both against the Pats in their dynastic heyday, because the Giants had a dominant defensive line and great coaching. I always liked Eli and don't have anything against the Giants, but he is not HOF worthy. HOF voters put waaaay too much emphasis on winning Super Bowls, especially for QBs. So I guess he'll probably get in. Hey, do me a favor and look up the giants defensive stats in 2011 and look at Eli’s then stfu. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 1,664 Posted November 22 Oooh, he had one really good, not great, statistical season. In 2011 he was 4th in the league in yardage, 7th in QB rating, 6th in TD passes and threw the 7th most interceptions in the league along with luminaries like Josh Freeman, Fitzmagic, Rex Grossman and Mark Sanchez. You're making my point for me, homer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,602 Posted November 22 many very good players again this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 746 Posted November 22 I think Eli belongs despite the valid arguments that @Fnord makes. Eli never won a playoff game outside the two seasons they won SB and is incredibly average on a lot of metrics, but because of 2 SB wins, and the fact he is a Manning, gets in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 1,664 Posted November 22 Just now, patweisers44 said: I think Eli belongs despite the valid arguments that @Fnord makes. Eli never won a playoff game outside the two seasons they won SB and is incredibly average on a lot of metrics, but because of 2 SB wins, and the fact he is a Manning, gets in. Don't forget WHERE he played being a factor. I'm guessing the only reason Phil Simms isn't in the HOF is because he was injured and Jeff Hostetler was QB'ing the 1990 team when they won the SB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,762 Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Fnord said: Eli's a shoe in? I guess he won 2 Super Bowls for a NY team. Winning one was good enough to get Namath in, which in hindsight is absurd. Eli's career stats are good enough for the HOF, but he was a compiler who stayed healthy and played a million games. There was never a point in his career that he was a top 5 QB in the league, he never led the NFL in rating, TDs, or yardage over a full season, his career int. rate and rating are atrocious compared to other HOFers. He won 2 Super Bowls, both against the Pats in their dynastic heyday, because the Giants had a dominant defensive line and great coaching. I always liked Eli and don't have anything against the Giants, but he is not HOF worthy. HOF voters put waaaay too much emphasis on winning Super Bowls, especially for QBs. So I guess he'll probably get in. You’re 100% right but 2 chips + longevity gets him in for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,310 Posted November 22 Robert Shaft denied again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,164 Posted November 22 41 minutes ago, Fnord said: Oooh, he had one really good, not great, statistical season. In 2011 he was 4th in the league in yardage, 7th in QB rating, 6th in TD passes and threw the 7th most interceptions in the league along with luminaries like Josh Freeman, Fitzmagic, Rex Grossman and Mark Sanchez. You're making my point for me, homer. Set the record for the most 4th quarter TD’s. Defense and run game were bottom 4. Hush boy. He carried them. Took out 15-1 Rodgers and The 49’rs on the road before out dueling Brady once again. Shhhhh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 919 Posted November 23 I think Eli deserves to get in eventually but probably not first ballot. Am I dumb in thinking kuechly, suggs and vinatieri are more than likely to get the nod on their first chance than eli? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,029 Posted November 23 Eli definitely belongs in. Coughlin as well. Gotta give credit where it is due Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,216 Posted November 23 I hope Yanda makes it. He's a stud and from my area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,043 Posted November 23 Eli's 2 rings and top 11 stats in career yards & TD's makes him an easy HoF'er. I'm not even sure what the argument against him would be. I don't get the argument about him not being the best QB in any given year. In both the Superbowl runs, he was the best player on the field, that's all that really matters. That combined with the stats make it really simple. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,732 Posted November 24 Eli has the same number of career wins as Joe Montana. 117-117 career record, but he does have 70 more losses as Joe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 538 Posted November 24 On 11/23/2024 at 9:29 AM, Reality said: Eli's 2 rings and top 11 stats in career yards & TD's makes him an easy HoF'er. I'm not even sure what the argument against him would be. I don't get the argument about him not being the best QB in any given year. In both the Superbowl runs, he was the best player on the field, that's all that really matters. That combined with the stats make it really simple. He was an above average QB for a long time in an era of inflated passing stats. Never had a season in the top 3 of passing TDs (3 in the top 5), never a top 4 season in passing yards (2 in the top 5). The only major stat he lead the league in was INTs (3 times). 4 Pro Bowls in 17 seasons (also in an era of inflated rosters due to players sitting out), 0 All Pro nods. If not for 2 (admittedly great) post season runs, he'd have 0 shot whatsoever at the Hall. I say he doesn't belong, but I expect him to get in. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 919 Posted November 24 Roethlisberger has better stats and I don't think he should be in first year eligible, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,174 Posted November 25 1 hour ago, cmh6476 said: Roethlisberger has better stats and I don't think he should be in first year eligible, either. I would absolutely put Ben in before Average Eli. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,043 Posted November 25 2 hours ago, Vikings4ever said: He was an above average QB for a long time in an era of inflated passing stats. Never had a season in the top 3 of passing TDs (3 in the top 5), never a top 4 season in passing yards (2 in the top 5). The only major stat he lead the league in was INTs (3 times). 4 Pro Bowls in 17 seasons (also in an era of inflated rosters due to players sitting out), 0 All Pro nods. If not for 2 (admittedly great) post season runs, he'd have 0 shot whatsoever at the Hall. I say he doesn't belong, but I expect him to get in. He's got the stats, he's got the rings, he was best when it mattered the most. He's guaranteed in and that's exactly how it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted November 25 Eil and Ben are going to be 1st ballot HOF, get over it if you disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
