Here come the tariffs

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

46 minutes ago, nobody said:

You're extremely naive.  

What's the point of power if you never use it because it'll make the people weaker than you upset?  Guess what?  They'll always be upset - whether we exercise our power or not.  And whether you think they are an ally or not, if they had the power to do so, they would take what we have.

You guys are way too worried about what other countries think.  

Yeah I’m naive. Ask yourself why 100 years of past Presidents didn’t pull this crap. Not Reagan, not Eisenhower, not Nixon, none of the guys that we regard as strong Presidents. Because they understood the vital importance of promoting friendship and stability in South America. 

[nobody 2,500]

I'm for having fair deals in place with South America.   Fair deals.  It made sense to tilt it in their favor when we were in the middle of hot and cold wars.  The time for charity must end at some point, and there is plenty of room to suckle on the US tit before they decide to join China.  We don't have to just open up and get shafted so they'll be our "ally," and we don't need them loving us in order for them not to run into the arms of China.  We just need to give them a better deal than China, and unlike the US, China expects ROI, so we have plenty of room to renegotiate the relationship.

[Strike 4,945]

Can you say SATURDAY!!!!    Woot Woot!!!!!

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico-oil-afb915762af6994573353135bcd30a1b

[TrailGuy 412]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Can you say SATURDAY!!!!    Woot Woot!!!!!

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico-oil-afb915762af6994573353135bcd30a1b

Why are you happy about this?

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Can you say SATURDAY!!!!    Woot Woot!!!!!

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico-oil-afb915762af6994573353135bcd30a1b

My prediction: right before these happen, Trump will announce that Mexico and Canada have “surrendered”, agreeing to help us with the borders. Very few details will be offered, and the MAGA crowd will cheer that the Alpha President strikes again and that tariffs work. 
 

I sure hope I’m right…

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My prediction: right before these happen, Trump will announce that Mexico and Canada have “surrendered”, agreeing to help us with the borders. Very few details will be offered, and the MAGA crowd will cheer that the Alpha President strikes again and that tariffs work. 
 

I sure hope I’m right…

Ok then, tell us what will really happen. 

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok then, tell us what will really happen. 

I just did. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I just did. 

 You gave a vague overview. What will actually be agreed on that Trump will lift the tariff, or not put them in place at all? 

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 You gave a vague overview. What will actually be agreed on that Trump will lift the tariff, or not put them in place at all? 

I predicted it will be performative. Mexico and Canada will agree to “cooperate.” Border encounters will go down until there is another crisis in Latin America at which point they will rise again. Fetanyl will continue to flow into this country unabated so long as the demand for it remains high. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I predicted it will be performative. Mexico and Canada will agree to “cooperate.” Border encounters will go down until there is another crisis in Latin America at which point they will rise again. Fetanyl will continue to flow into this country unabated so long as the demand for it remains high. 

What crisis in Latin America led to the surge in border crossings the last four years? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I predicted it will be performative. Mexico and Canada will agree to “cooperate.” Border encounters will go down until there is another crisis in Latin America at which point they will rise again. Fetanyl will continue to flow into this country unabated so long as the demand for it remains high. 

I think you're just trying to cope here. You're making stuff up to make yourself feel better. None of what you posted is based in reality.

There have been no crises in South America that has caused the massive surge to our border in the previous 4 years. The crisis was the Biden administration.

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

There have been no crises in South America that has caused the massive surge to our border in the previous 4 years. The crisis was the Biden administration.

Thats simply not true. 
 

https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/what-we-do/world-migration-report-2024-chapter-3/latin-america-and-caribbean#:~:text=Gang-related violence and insecurity,internal and cross-border displacement.

Beginning in 2020, the Covid pandemic sharpened the economic crisis already created by climate change to create a mass migration movement. I know you guys think this has to do with Biden’s border policies but there’s only so much we can do to control this. Right now things have calmed way down - all through 2024 we were at decade lows- but eventually climate change combined with the corrupt governments down there (which we either turn a blind eye to or directly cultivate) are going to create further crisis and no amount of security at the border will be able to stop it. The only way to stop it is to address the issues south of us, which we’re not doing. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

the Covid pandemic sharpened the economic crisis already created by climate change to create a mass migration movement.

Doesn't answer the question, why weren't our borders secured? 

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Doesn't answer the question, why weren't our borders secured? 

That wasn’t the question. 

[seafoam1 2,617]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That wasn’t the question. 

[Mike Honcho 4,854]

12 hours ago, Strike said:

Can you say SATURDAY!!!!    Woot Woot!!!!!

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico-oil-afb915762af6994573353135bcd30a1b

 

Quote

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said his 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico are coming on Saturday, but he’s still considering whether to include oil from those countries as part of his import taxes.

“We may or may not,” Trump told reporters Thursday in the Oval Office about tariffing oil from Canada and Mexico. “We’re going to make that determination probably tonight.”

Trump said his decision will be based on whether the price of oil charged by the two trading partners is fair, although the basis of his threatened tariffs pertains to stopping illegal immigration and the smuggling of chemicals used for fentanyl.

 

That would not be a popular policy after campaigning on reducing inflation by lowering energy costs, doubt oil is included. 

[TrailGuy 412]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Doesn't answer the question, why weren't our borders secured? 

Trump never built a wall

[seafoam1 2,617]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

Trump never built a wall

Liberals are suffering so bad. This is awesome. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thats simply not true. 
 

https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/what-we-do/world-migration-report-2024-chapter-3/latin-america-and-caribbean#:~:text=Gang-related violence and insecurity,internal and cross-border displacement.

Beginning in 2020, the Covid pandemic sharpened the economic crisis already created by climate change to create a mass migration movement. I know you guys think this has to do with Biden’s border policies but there’s only so much we can do to control this. Right now things have calmed way down - all through 2024 we were at decade lows- but eventually climate change combined with the corrupt governments down there (which we either turn a blind eye to or directly cultivate) are going to create further crisis and no amount of security at the border will be able to stop it. The only way to stop it is to address the issues south of us, which we’re not doing. 

Economics isn’t a valid reason to request asylum. None of them asked for asylum based on that. They were well coached. So what was it? 

[TrailGuy 412]

At this point I hope he goes ahead with the tariffs, prices get jacked up, people feel the pain so they can realize how dumb they were to vote for him.

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

1 hour ago, TrailGuy said:

At this point I hope he goes ahead with the tariffs, prices get jacked up, people feel the pain so they can realize how dumb they were to vote for him.

Yeah well I get that but I take the opposite view. I’d rather Trump be perceived as a winner than to see this actually happen. I don’t want the pain this will cause in real time. 

[Death 296]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah well I get that but I take the opposite view. I’d rather Trump be perceived as a winner than to see this actually happen. I don’t want the pain this will cause in real time. 

That time he slapped tariffs on China resulted in the Dow dropping 1,000 points, inflation and small businesses going under because their profit margins disappeared due to higher prices.

If he can make deals that avoid the tariffs, more power to him. 

MAGAturds can whatabout all they want to if inflation explodes, but there is no way around putting the blame squarely on Clownzo.

[TrailGuy 412]

25% Canada and Mexico, 10% China.  Starting tomorrow.

Good.  America needs to feel the pain this dictator puts on us.

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

25% Canada and Mexico, 10% China.  Starting tomorrow.

Good.  America needs to feel the pain this dictator puts on us.

Hadn’t happened yet. Let’s see the order. Even after it happens it will take a few weeks or month to see the effects. A lot could happen. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

Imagine calling the current president a dictator and not even realizing that the president you voted for in the previous administrator was the dictator.

[squistion 1,776]

From Justin Trudeau:

https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1885414637610447168

No one — on either side of the border — wants to see American tariffs on Canadian goods.  

I met with our Canada-U.S. Council today. We’re working hard to prevent these tariffs, but if the United States moves ahead, Canada’s ready with a forceful and immediate response.

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

18 minutes ago, squistion said:

From Justin Trudeau:

https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1885414637610447168

No one — on either side of the border — wants to see American tariffs on Canadian goods.  

I met with our Canada-U.S. Council today. We’re working hard to prevent these tariffs, but if the United States moves ahead, Canada’s ready with a forceful and immediate response.

And this is the problem. Once this begins it will be difficult to untangle. 
 

We’ve had tariffs on Canada and Mexico before. But 25% is unheard of. It’s tantamount to a declaration of war. 

[TrailGuy 412]

Looks like Wall St got word of the tariffs 

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/01/31/tariff-trump-trade-war/
 

President Trump confirmed tonight that he does NOT view the tariffs as a negotiating tool, but as a way to improve the economy. “Tariffs don’t cause inflation,” he said, “they cause success.”

This is what I was afraid of. I’ve been hoping his aides would talk him out of this; I still am. There is not a single economic expert, neither conservative or liberal, who thinks a 25% tariff on Canada and Mexico will be anything but an economic disaster. If this happens, if Trump means it, if he doesn’t reverse himself in a few days or weeks, we are looking at a recession, or worse, a depression. 

Of every decision Trump has ever made this will be the worst by far: it will be the worst decision by any President in our lifetime. Not joking about this. I know some of you MAGA types will laugh, will say I’m freaking out about this, whatever. I don’t expect you to trust me, but listen at least to the economic folks. 

[TrailGuy 412]

I love it.  Bring pain on us citizens.

I hope sh1t gets so expensive we go into recession.

Let the economy crash i don't give a f.

Will be a cleansing of this maga BS.

[CaptainObvious1 198]

1 hour ago, TrailGuy said:

I love it.  Bring pain on us citizens.

I hope sh1t gets so expensive we go into recession.

Let the economy crash i don't give a f.

Will be a cleansing of this maga BS.

 Supposed company executive with the temperament of a 7 year old

[HellToupee 1,370]

3 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

 Supposed company executive with the temperament of a 7 year old

I don’t get to see his posts unless someone quotes him. What a petulant little puke. Throwing a tantrum. Very sad look . That was an embarrassing post by him

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

Personally I am not rooting for bad things to happen here. I just believe they will. What I hope is that Trump either calls this off, or that somehow it doesn’t affect us that badly. If it brings us prosperity the way he is promising it will, I will happily admit that I was wrong and congratulate him and those who support him. And I want that to happen. 
 

But…I don’t think I’m wrong. I think this is going to be a serious calamity. We won’t see the effects for some time- a few weeks…a month…:by then it will be too late. And it won’t help me then to say “I told you so.” 

[Horseman 2,131]

11 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

Looks like Wall St got word of the tariffs 

Finance guy thinks a few tenths of a percent in a single day is significant. 

You must not work for an investment firm. Probably do accounts payable for some shittty company unrelated to finance.

[Horseman 2,131]

5 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

I love it.  Bring pain on us citizens.

I hope sh1t gets so expensive we go into recession.

Let the economy crash i don't give a f.

Will be a cleansing of this maga BS.

We understand. You don't have much else to live for.  

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

Study from August: these tariffs will cost the average household $2,600 a year: 

https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2024/trumps-bigger-tariff-proposals-would-cost-typical-american-household-over

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

these tariffs will cost the average household $2,600 a year: 

For now! 

[HellToupee 1,370]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Personally I am not rooting for bad things to happen here. I just believe they will

Most normal , rational people aren’t. The bottom feeders on the other hand think differently 

[TrailGuy 412]

33 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Most normal , rational people aren’t. The bottom feeders on the other hand think differently 

You voted for this and you voted to inflict pain and misery on others.  So naturally you need to experience the same or you'll never learn.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

I’m good with it. It’s for a good cause, not some stupid green energy scam or to fund an unwinable war abroad.  Or for democrat voters to sit on their ass and get paid.