Here come the tariffs

[RLLD 4,117]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

@RLLD you wrote that it would be “rather easy for Mexico to step up and avoid these tariffs entirely”. Do you still fell that way? What exactly should Mexico have done? 

I hope the other poster is taking notes......this is how you talk to people.

One of the things that distinguishes people such as myself (conservative) from others(say....(liberal) is the ability to admit when we are wrong.  In this instance, I was incorrect.  Its really that simple.

[edjr 6,527]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I hope the other poster is taking notes......this is how you talk to people.

One of the things that distinguishes people such as myself (conservative) from others(say....(liberal) is the ability to admit when we are wrong.  In this instance, I was incorrect.  Its really that simple.

[The Real timschochet 5,967]

Just now, RLLD said:

I hope the other poster is taking notes......this is how you talk to people.

One of the things that distinguishes people such as myself (conservative) from others(say....(liberal) is the ability to admit when we are wrong.  In this instance, I was incorrect.  Its really that simple.

I don’t think that’s a trait of liberals or conservatives. It is however a trait of an admirable person. 
I’m not happy you were wrong about this. I would have greatly preferred it if you had been right. 

[RLLD 4,117]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think that’s a trait of liberals or conservatives. It is however a trait of an admirable person. 
I’m not happy you were wrong about this. I would have greatly preferred it if you had been right. 

I hope that the impacts are of course minimal (to us that is....)  and the duration is short.  But if this is what it takes to wrestle the US back into a better long term position, then lets get it done now I guess....

[The Real timschochet 5,967]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I hope that the impacts are of course minimal (to us that is....)  and the duration is short.  But if this is what it takes to wrestle the US back into a better long term position, then let’s get it done now I guess....

With regard to Mexico and Canada I still have no idea what the “better long term position” would be. 

[RLLD 4,117]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

With regard to Mexico and Canada I still have no idea what the “better long term position” would be. 

It might depend on your perspective, and perhaps even your economic theory......but in general.... it likely will depend on specific industries targeted and the broader economic strategy behind the tariffs. 

My thoughts.....

1. Protecting Domestic Industries: They always act as a  buffer against cheaper imports, allowing them time to grow, invest in new technology, and create jobs without facing intense foreign competition.  But they can also hide faults and not force domestics to improve.......

2. Strengthening Supply Chains: They usually result in reducing reliance on cross-border supply chains as more business relocates in the US, so we solve some of our supply chain problems that were illuminated by COVID.

3. Leveraging Trade Negotiations: Potential  renegotiation of NAFTA into the USMCA> I do not look favorably on NAFTA and would welcome it being diminished.

4. Addressing Trade Imbalances: If there’s a significant trade deficit, tariffs may reduce the flow of imports, helping balance trade and improve the U.S.’s position in global markets.

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,659]

On 2/19/2025 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hunt said:

The European Union is ready to slash tariffs on U.S. auto imports to the same level charged on its exports in a move that would generate huge sighs of relief from investors.

This would be especially timely because manufacturers like Porsche are reviving investment in internal combustion engine vehicles as electric vehicle sales falter.  To be cut off from that market would be financially disastrous for the Europeans.

A former U.S. ambassador to the EU though expects the Trump Administration to seek huge overall changes to long-term unfair trading including non-tariff barriers.

Currently, the U.S. has a 2.5% tariff on Europe’s sedan and SUV imports, while the EU charges U.S. imports at 10%.

 

Let’s make believe this post doesn’t exist. 

[Ron_Artest 919]

27 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I hope the other poster is taking notes......this is how you talk to people.

One of the things that distinguishes people such as myself (conservative) from others(say....(liberal) is the ability to admit when we are wrong.  In this instance, I was incorrect.  Its really that simple.

wow, never thought I would see that.  Kudos.

@MDC

[RLLD 4,117]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

wow, never thought I would see that.  Kudos.

@MDC

That is an odd response since it is not the first time. Perhaps you should reconsider your perspective.

[MDC 6,913]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

wow, never thought I would see that.  Kudos.

@MDC

Why are you tagging me?

[jbycho 414]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

That is an odd response since it is not the first time. Perhaps you should reconsider your perspective.

Careful MDC is no longer on suspension and will come with a one liner sarcastic message aimed at you. 

[Ron_Artest 919]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why are you tagging me?

I thought you were in the camp of "RLLD never admits when he is wrong".

Apparently I am wrong.  Sorry.

[MDC 6,913]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I thought you were in the camp of "RLLD never admits when he is wrong".

Apparently I am wrong.  Sorry.

It was one specific things that Ray won’t admit. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,659]

26 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It might depend on your perspective, and perhaps even your economic theory......but in general.... it likely will depend on specific industries targeted and the broader economic strategy behind the tariffs. 

My thoughts.....

1. Protecting Domestic Industries: They always act as a  buffer against cheaper imports, allowing them time to grow, invest in new technology, and create jobs without facing intense foreign competition.  But they can also hide faults and not force domestics to improve.......

2. Strengthening Supply Chains: They usually result in reducing reliance on cross-border supply chains as more business relocates in the US, so we solve some of our supply chain problems that were illuminated by COVID.

3. Leveraging Trade Negotiations: Potential  renegotiation of NAFTA into the USMCA> I do not look favorably on NAFTA and would welcome it being diminished.

4. Addressing Trade Imbalances: If there’s a significant trade deficit, tariffs may reduce the flow of imports, helping balance trade and improve the U.S.’s position in global markets.

 

 

Does the “I was wrong” still count? 

[RLLD 4,117]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

It was one specific things that Ray won’t admit. 

I hope that my response to this thread is useful in highlighting that MDC will lie without restraint.

[RLLD 4,117]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Does the “I was wrong” still count? 

Not sure i follow.....

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,701]

24 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Careful MDC is no longer on suspension and will come with a one liner sarcastic message aimed at you. 

You think he's bad, you should get into a conversation with last word guy. 

[MDC 6,913]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I hope that my response to this thread is useful in highlighting that MDC will lie without restraint.

Not sure what this thread has to do with me. You definitely weaseled out of your claim on the Biden investigation. But I don’t feel like rehashing it. 

[jbycho 414]

13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You think he's bad, you should get into a conversation with last word guy. 

I've seen his work. Makes me want to write a program to continually respond to him while I sleep and then see him the next day still trying to one up the AI responses. 

[squistion 1,838]

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1896970355698491754

Canadian PM Trudeau says he "will not back down from a fight" after Trump's tariffs went into effect.

"There is absolutely no justification or need whatsoever for these tariffs."

Addressing Trump directly: "Even though you’re a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do."

[RLLD 4,117]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not sure what this thread has to do with me. You definitely weaseled out of your claim on the Biden investigation. But I don’t feel like rehashing it. 

If you asserted that the sky was blue I would have to confirm with two more people.

[MDC 6,913]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If you asserted that the sky was blue I would have to confirm with two more people.

Not sure why you’re lashing out at me. Rough morning?  

[RLLD 4,117]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not sure why you’re lashing out at me. Rough morning?  

Your immediate response above warrants getting ahead of pretty much anything you might now post.

[MDC 6,913]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Your immediate response above warrants getting ahead of pretty much anything you might now post.

We’ve already discussed your take on the Biden investigation. 

[RLLD 4,117]

Just now, MDC said:

We’ve already discussed your take on the Biden investigation. 

This thread is about tariffs

[MDC 6,913]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This thread is about tariffs

That’s why I asked why Ron Artest pulled me into it. And why you’re lashing out. FFS

[RLLD 4,117]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

That’s why I asked why Ron Artest pulled me into it. And why you’re lashing out. FFS

If I am wary of you, it is for good reason.

[The Real timschochet 5,967]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

It might depend on your perspective, and perhaps even your economic theory......but in general.... it likely will depend on specific industries targeted and the broader economic strategy behind the tariffs. 

My thoughts.....

1. Protecting Domestic Industries: They always act as a  buffer against cheaper imports, allowing them time to grow, invest in new technology, and create jobs without facing intense foreign competition.  But they can also hide faults and not force domestics to improve.......

2. Strengthening Supply Chains: They usually result in reducing reliance on cross-border supply chains as more business relocates in the US, so we solve some of our supply chain problems that were illuminated by COVID.

3. Leveraging Trade Negotiations: Potential  renegotiation of NAFTA into the USMCA> I do not look favorably on NAFTA and would welcome it being diminished.

4. Addressing Trade Imbalances: If there’s a significant trade deficit, tariffs may reduce the flow of imports, helping balance trade and improve the U.S.’s position in global markets.

 

 

Most of your points are very general and have nothing to do with Mexico or Canada. But with regard to point #3, NAFTA ended years ago. Trump put a new deal in place, remember? He called it the greatest deal ever at the time. Last night he violated it (so much for America honoring our agreements; why should we expect others to do the same?) 

So I still can’t figure out any reason for these tariffs. 

[jbycho 414]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Most of your points are very general and have nothing to do with Mexico or Canada. But with regard to point #3, NAFTA ended years ago. Trump put a new deal in place, remember? He called it the greatest deal ever at the time. Last night he violated it (so much for America honoring our agreements; why should we expect others to do the same?) 

So I still can’t figure out any reason for these tariffs. 

Everyone knows you can't figure things out. But why do you keep boasting about not being able to follow along with the adults? 

[RLLD 4,117]

52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Most of your points are very general and have nothing to do with Mexico or Canada. But with regard to point #3, NAFTA ended years ago. Trump put a new deal in place, remember? He called it the greatest deal ever at the time. Last night he violated it (so much for America honoring our agreements; why should we expect others to do the same?) 

So I still can’t figure out any reason for these tariffs. 

I think you could have a more thoughtful reply. I see the dismissal without even considering the points to not be enough to dissuade anyone.....

Many elements of NAFTA remain in place.  The USMCA kept the foundation of free trade between the three countries, ensuring most goods can move across borders without tariffs.  So you have many of the same things,, USMCA simply improved on them a little. Such as automobile manufacturing — increasing the percentage of car parts that must be made in North America to qualify for tariff-free status, adding stronger protections for workers and the environment and extending copyright protections and addressing digital trade, which NAFTA didn’t cover.

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

The US's GDP is 14 times bigger than the GDP of Canada.

22% of Canada's GDP is exports to the US.
Only 1.5% of US's GDP is exports to Canada.

Governor Trudeau gonna learn the hard way.

[supermike80 1,754]

27 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

The US's GDP is 14 times bigger than the GDP of Canada.

22% of Canada's GDP is exports to the US.
Only 1.5% of US's GDP is exports to Canada.

Governor Trudeau gonna learn the hard way.

he Knows.  That's why hes pleading for it to stop.

[The Real timschochet 5,967]

31 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

The US's GDP is 14 times bigger than the GDP of Canada.

22% of Canada's GDP is exports to the US.
Only 1.5% of US's GDP is exports to Canada.

Governor Trudeau gonna learn the hard way.

What would you have him do? 

[The Real timschochet 5,967]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think you could have a more thoughtful reply. I see the dismissal without even considering the points to not be enough to dissuade anyone.....

Many elements of NAFTA remain in place.  The USMCA kept the foundation of free trade between the three countries, ensuring most goods can move across borders without tariffs.  So you have many of the same things,, USMCA simply improved on them a little. Such as automobile manufacturing — increasing the percentage of car parts that must be made in North America to qualify for tariff-free status, adding stronger protections for workers and the environment and extending copyright protections and addressing digital trade, which NAFTA didn’t cover.

 

I don’t understand, what is wrong with free trade? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,659]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What would you have him do? 

What Trump asked him to do. 

[Horseman 2,247]

What ever happened to the Phantom's Phantom anyway? 

[RLLD 4,117]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand, what is wrong with free trade? 

If you have a specific question I can try to answer it.

If you now want to talk about free trade I can do that as well.  I think we should first find common ground with terminology. I submit that free trade is the flow of goods and services across borders without tariffs, quotas, or other restrictions.

So what are some benefits?   I think the economic growth when we open markets can boost their economies through increased exports and access to cheaper imports. This  and can stimulate competition and innovation. I can translate into lower prices, wider supply options and allows nations with some specific advantage to get entry into the global markets which naturally translates into improved worker situations around the world....and it can also enhance global relationships.

Nothing is perfect of course, and we cannot ignore the imperfections of free trade as well.   Globalization can be rather harmful to domestic industries, and create over-specialization in markets that later results in harmful outcomes to interruptions in supply chains. Not everyone shares our values of course, and some nations are only too happy to exploit people within their industries, which lowers wages and living experiences as well.  Nations are more willing to make environmental and human sacrifices in less prosperous areas to compete with bigger economies.

Is that where you are hoping to take this? Toward some kind of free trade discussion?

 

[HellToupee 1,465]

Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face

 

BREAKING: Ontario Premier Doug Ford cancels @ElonMusk's Starlink contract, bans all U.S. companies from taking part in government contracts in response to Trump.

"It's done, it's gone. We won't award contracts to people who enable and encourage economic attacks on our province and our country."

"They only have President Trump to blame."

 

meanwhile Canada was doing this all along

Here is a list of tariffs Canada Imposes on U.S.
Goods:

⁃ Dairy Products:
⁃ Milk: 270%
⁃ Cheese: 245%
⁃ Butter: 298%
⁃ Poultry: 238%
-Eggs: 163%
⁃ Barley: 160%
⁃ Wheat: 94%
⁃ Sugar: 265%
⁃ Peanut Butter: 295%
⁃ Rice: 150%
⁃ Vegetables: 100%
⁃ Fish Products: 100%
⁃ Lumber: 20%
⁃ Shoes: 30%
⁃ Cocoa: 30%
⁃ Metals: 25%
⁃ Wool: 30%
⁃ Tobacco: 100+%

[supermike80 1,754]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand, what is wrong with free trade? 

There is literally no such thing when other countries slap tariffs and VAT on our imports.  It's only fair to them, not to us.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

45 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face

 

BREAKING: Ontario Premier Doug Ford cancels @ElonMusk's Starlink contract, bans all U.S. companies from taking part in government contracts in response to Trump.

"It's done, it's gone. We won't award contracts to people who enable and encourage economic attacks on our province and our country."

"They only have President Trump to blame."

 

meanwhile Canada was doing this all along

Here is a list of tariffs Canada Imposes on U.S.
Goods:

⁃ Dairy Products:
⁃ Milk: 270%
⁃ Cheese: 245%
⁃ Butter: 298%
⁃ Poultry: 238%
-Eggs: 163%
⁃ Barley: 160%
⁃ Wheat: 94%
⁃ Sugar: 265%
⁃ Peanut Butter: 295%
⁃ Rice: 150%
⁃ Vegetables: 100%
⁃ Fish Products: 100%
⁃ Lumber: 20%
⁃ Shoes: 30%
⁃ Cocoa: 30%
⁃ Metals: 25%
⁃ Wool: 30%
⁃ Tobacco: 100+%

This.