Saquon Barkley

[the spanker 28]

Curious to know if you own Barkley should you handcuff Gainwell to him in ppr leagues?  

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3 hours ago, the spanker said:

Curious to know if you own Barkley should you handcuff Gainwell to him in ppr leagues?  

Absolutely 

[gcmmidwest 149]

No ...gainwell is a smallish change of pace catching back ....would not be able to handle a full work  load... He would remain in the same role with Shipley taking over duties

[weepaws 3,094]

Unless you have really bad rb depth.  I wouldn’t 

[Ray_T 730]

11 hours ago, gcmmidwest said:

No ...gainwell is a smallish change of pace catching back ....would not be able to handle a full work  load... He would remain in the same role with Shipley taking over duties

with a name like Gainwell, how could you not think he couldnt Gain Well once he is listed as the starter (ok bad pun I will admit to it)

I do think he can handle a full workload (he has in the past)   whether he can do it over the course of a full season may be another matter.   but if he were to become the starter tomorrow, He would be just fine up til the end of the year.   Obviously he wouldnt put up Sequon type numbers, but I bet he could get 80 yards a game fairly consistently if the role was thrust onto his shoulders.   the Philly O line blocks quite well and Gainwell is good enough to be productive there.   Just not Sequon productive

[the spanker 28]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

with a name like Gainwell, how could you not think he couldnt Gain Well once he is listed as the starter (ok bad pun I will admit to it)

I do think he can handle a full workload (he has in the past)   whether he can do it over the course of a full season may be another matter.   but if he were to become the starter tomorrow, He would be just fine up til the end of the year.   Obviously he wouldnt put up Sequon type numbers, but I bet he could get 80 yards a game fairly consistently if the role was thrust onto his shoulders.   the Philly O line blocks quite well and Gainwell is good enough to be productive there.   Just not Sequon productive

In ppr where would you rank him overall?  High or low RB2?  High or low RB3?  

Dumpoffs in this offense could elevate his value. 

[Ray_T 730]

1 hour ago, the spanker said:

In ppr where would you rank him overall?  High or low RB2?  High or low RB3?  

Dumpoffs in this offense could elevate his value. 

probably low to mid RB2 if Sequon is not playing.   hes low end RB3 or RB4 if Sequon is in the lineup

[weepaws 3,094]

Ppr, high rb 4, low rb 3, maybe that high.  

[weepaws 3,094]

2 hours ago, the spanker said:

In ppr where would you rank him overall?  High or low RB2?  High or low RB3?  

Dumpoffs in this offense could elevate his value. 

Who would you be dropping for him, and what does your stable of Rbs look like? 

[weepaws 3,094]

3 hours ago, Ray_T said:

with a name like Gainwell, how could you not think he couldnt Gain Well once he is listed as the starter (ok bad pun I will admit to it)

I do think he can handle a full workload (he has in the past)   whether he can do it over the course of a full season may be another matter.   but if he were to become the starter tomorrow, He would be just fine up til the end of the year.   Obviously he wouldnt put up Sequon type numbers, but I bet he could get 80 yards a game fairly consistently if the role was thrust onto his shoulders.   the Philly O line blocks quite well and Gainwell is good enough to be productive there.   Just not Sequon productive

Disagree.  What full work load has he handled in the past? 

He’s had three games for in which he handled the most rushing att, he had 14 in those three games, he avg 3.4 per rush.  

I think Shipley might be in line for work like posted above, but I don’t see where Gainwell has established himself as the clear full load next up rb on the Eagles.   

Plus if Barkley goes down, Hurts rushing tds will increase.  

[the spanker 28]

41 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Who would you be dropping for him, and what does your stable of Rbs look like? 

Well here's my team:

Hurts, Purdy (just picked him up to keep away from competition)

Barkley, Walker, Charbonnet, Aaron Jones, McNichols

St.Brown, Tyreek, Meyers, DeVonta Smith

Kelce

Been streaming Ds ---Houston, Bengals for week 14

Other high end cuffs available are Corum, Davis

When Ekeler was concussed I picked up McNichols.  

 

[weepaws 3,094]

12 minutes ago, the spanker said:

Well here's my team:

Hurts, Purdy (just picked him up to keep away from competition)

Barkley, Walker, Charbonnet, Aaron Jones, McNichols

St.Brown, Tyreek, Meyers, DeVonta Smith

Kelce

Been streaming Ds ---Houston, Bengals for week 14

Other high end cuffs available are Corum, Davis

When Ekeler was concussed I picked up McNichols.  

 

Very good team, congrats, I would keep it intact.  I wouldn’t release any of your WRs, this time of the season keep two QBs isn’t a bad decision.  

From what I’ve been seeing about Ekeler, he might not be returning soon, and BRob has had his fair share of injuries. I think you should keep what you have.  

[the spanker 28]

6 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Very good team, congrats, I would keep it intact.  I wouldn’t release any of your WRs, this time of the season keep two QBs isn’t a bad decision.  

From what I’ve been seeing about Ekeler, he might not be returning soon, and BRob has had his fair share of injuries. I think you should keep what you have.  

Would you keep McNichols over Cam Akers?

[weepaws 3,094]

2 hours ago, the spanker said:

Would you keep McNichols over Cam Akers?

If A Jones goes down , who’s up next, it could be Chandler possibly over Akers,   What I like about keeping McNichols, is that Ekeler might not be returning soon, and BRob hasn’t been able to stay healthy, I would keep McNichols imo.  

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On 12/3/2024 at 1:52 AM, the spanker said:

Curious to know if you own Barkley should you handcuff Gainwell to him in ppr leagues?  

No, there's no need to.  Gainwell will not be used the same way that Barkley is and Shipley's role would increase.  Shipley might even be the guy that gets more touches, not Gainwell.

[the spanker 28]

8 hours ago, weepaws said:

If A Jones goes down , who’s up next, it could be Chandler possibly over Akers,   What I like about keeping McNichols, is that Ekeler might not be returning soon, and BRob hasn’t been able to stay healthy, I would keep McNichols imo.  

Thanks for your help!

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I did

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Congratulations Saquon!!!  

[DocNiner 59]

GAINWELL had 75 carries for 290 yds. and 1 touchdown plus added 16 receptions for 116 yds. and no touchdowns. He doesn't really represent any value unless Barkley misses time. He doesn't get enough touches to have any stand alone value and only useful.as I said if Barkley misses time. I wouldn't grab him as a handcuff. There'd be other backs available that would give you more value than Gainwell. If you're looking to add RB depth I'd look to get someone other than Gainwell. There should be some other rb's that would be a handcuff to some lead backs that miss time or have injury history that would serve you better.

[weepaws 3,094]

2 hours ago, DocNiner said:

GAINWELL had 75 carries for 290 yds. and 1 touchdown plus added 16 receptions for 116 yds. and no touchdowns. He doesn't really represent any value unless Barkley misses time. He doesn't get enough touches to have any stand alone value and only useful.as I said if Barkley misses time. I wouldn't grab him as a handcuff. There'd be other backs available that would give you more value than Gainwell. If you're looking to add RB depth I'd look to get someone other than Gainwell. There should be some other rb's that would be a handcuff to some lead backs that miss time or have injury history that would serve you better.

I’m sure that he’s probably on someone’s keeper team, but in redraft, Gainwell has very very little value if any at all. 

[Ray_T 730]

6 hours ago, DocNiner said:

GAINWELL had 75 carries for 290 yds. and 1 touchdown plus added 16 receptions for 116 yds. and no touchdowns. He doesn't really represent any value unless Barkley misses time. He doesn't get enough touches to have any stand alone value and only useful.as I said if Barkley misses time. I wouldn't grab him as a handcuff. There'd be other backs available that would give you more value than Gainwell. If you're looking to add RB depth I'd look to get someone other than Gainwell. There should be some other rb's that would be a handcuff to some lead backs that miss time or have injury history that would serve you better.

I dont know about that.  The Eagles O line is good enough that I do think Gainwell would be an adequate fill in.  I wouldnt expect RB1 numbers, but low to mid range RB2 numbers is likely something I'd expect from him until Sequon returns.    hes a good handcuff who really only has value to the Sequon owner and will only put up reliable stats while Sequon is injured.   In a deeper league hes likely ok to roster as a handcuff on your bench as your RB4.   but hes not a keeper in any format and should not be drafted until most of the legitimate RB3's are off the board.

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8 hours ago, Ray_T said:

I dont know about that.  The Eagles O line is good enough that I do think Gainwell would be an adequate fill in.  I wouldnt expect RB1 numbers, but low to mid range RB2 numbers is likely something I'd expect from him until Sequon returns.    hes a good handcuff who really only has value to the Sequon owner and will only put up reliable stats while Sequon is injured.   In a deeper league hes likely ok to roster as a handcuff on your bench as your RB4.   but hes not a keeper in any format and should not be drafted until most of the legitimate RB3's are off the board.

W Shipley I think is going to be the handcuff to own imo.  

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11 hours ago, weepaws said:

W Shipley I think is going to be the handcuff to own imo.  

maybe.  hard to say how the bottom of the lineup changes.  bottom of the lineup tends to be more fluid.

if he passes him on the depth chart then yeah, no value.  but this discussion is based on the current depth chart.  I think its obvious that Gainwell becomes valueless if hes drops to #3 or #4 on the depth chart in Philly.   As it is now, he only has value when Sequon is hurt.  if this development actually happens than Shipley becomes the back to own.

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PHILADELPHIA -- The Eagles are rewarding Saquon Barkley for his historic season with a two-year, $41.2 million contract extension that makes him the highest-paid running back in NFL history, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Tuesday.

The deal, which includes $36 million guaranteed at signing, makes Barkley the NFL's first running back getting more than $20 million per year. He has the ability to earn an additional $15 million in incentives and escalators.

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Whether it's Gainwell or Shipley oif Barkley's on your team and you have the roster space it would be wise to grab one of these 2 guys you think is the better handcuff. If Barkley misses playing time for whatever reason, hopefully not, othe Eagles O-line is good enough to support good production from either Gainwrll or Shipley.

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33 minutes ago, DocNiner said:

Whether it's Gainwell or Shipley oif Barkley's on your team and you have the roster space it would be wise to grab one of these 2 guys you think is the better handcuff. If Barkley misses playing time for whatever reason, hopefully not, othe Eagles O-line is good enough to support good production from either Gainwrll or Shipley.

I like Will Shipley a lot and would have no problem cuffing him with Barkley. I think Gainwell is the odd man out, they'll probably draft another back later in the draft

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2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I like Will Shipley a lot and would have no problem cuffing him with Barkley. I think Gainwell is the odd man out, they'll probably draft another back later in the draft

you could be right.   we likely wont find out for sure until training camp is over or at the latest.... week 1

I do agree Shipley has more upside.   but I've seen situations where the veteran holds of the kid for the lead backup role (or the starting role) and its tough to get in the head of the coaches.  The good news is.... we dont have to make a call on this right now.   as more info comes available we can make a better decision.

the one thing I would make clear.... whoever is the RB2 in Philly should be your handcuff RB4 if you own Barkley.

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Just now, Ray_T said:

the one thing I would make clear.... whoever is the RB2 in Philly should be your handcuff RB4 if you own Barkley.

100%. It's too good of an offense to not cuff Barkley. If Barkley goes down you'll have a very good flex option at the least. Perhaps more. 

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2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

100%. It's too good of an offense to not cuff Barkley. If Barkley goes down you'll have a very good flex option at the least. Perhaps more. 

that O line is killer.  if Barkley goes down whoever goes in will put up RB2 numbers.   in this scenario, thats about as good as it gets.

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1 minute ago, Ray_T said:

that O line is killer.  if Barkley goes down whoever goes in will put up RB2 numbers.   in this scenario, thats about as good as it gets.

The new OC said that he wants to get the RBs more involved in the passing which would be great for Barkley and Shipley. Both can catch it 

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

The new OC said that he wants to get the RBs more involved in the passing which would be great for Barkley and Shipley. Both can catch it 

That may be a sign that Shipley is ready to take over RB2 duties.   we shall see.

Barkley is a talented pass catching back so there is more PPR upside in him than what we saw last year.   as a rookie he got 91 catches for 721 receiving yards and 438 in year 2.   then for some reason New York went away from using him in the pass game but I dont think that skillset disappeared.

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7 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

That may be a sign that Shipley is ready to take over RB2 duties.   we shall see.

I'll take a late round flyer on Shipley all day 

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46 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'll take a late round flyer on Shipley all day 

well, regardless of who is the RB2 in Philly, they should be taken as an RB4 as a handcuff by the barkley owner.   

I dont think they have any substantial value to anyone other than the Barkley owner.   good handcuff value.  Thats about it.  If I dont have Barkley on my team I'm not really interested in either of them otherwise as I dont think they will return any value while Barkley is healthy.