Barkley and the Rushing Record

[Showboat 250]

Not a lot of discussion here about whether he should go for the record with the Eagles locked into the #2 seed.  I know it would go into the books as the single season record, but to me it would always have an asterisk with the extra game to get there.  IMO O.J.’s 2003 yards in 14 games should still be recognized as the top but Dickerson’s three 1800+ yard seasons within a 4-year span is unprecedented.

I could see going for the record if it was accomplished in the same number games.  As it is, it seems that the record would be cheapened (especially if it was only exceeded by a few yards) and kind of reckless to go after in an essentially meaningless game.

[weepaws 3,062]

Yes he should go for it, I own him on my non ppr, we still have the final championship game to play, plus I’m in first for total points.  

[Ray_T 725]

its good for the fans, but likely unwise for the team to give him more than a light workout.   but hes only 101 yards away and if he plays, that would likely be one of the higher rated football games of the year.   I think the NFL would want him to play and may even pressure the Iggles to play him.

he doenst have to get the record.  it just needs to be close so people will stay tuned in to the TV.

I think I'd probably let him go for the record. but if it gets to a point where its clear hes not getting it I'd yank him quickly.

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

NO, they should rest him, AJ and Hurts. 

There would be hell to pay in Philly if Barkley blew out his knee in a meaningless regular season game. 

 

[weepaws 3,062]

You let Barkley make that decision, can’t blame him for not playing, or for going for an nfl record. I hope he plays, I have a championship on the line, and total points.   I want to win. Get paid. And send that money to the northern Nevada food bank, and to the local Ronald McDonald House.  So wish me luck.   Indeed 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

5 hours ago, weepaws said:

You let Barkley make that decision

No you don't, the coach decides what's BEST for the TEAM. 

[weepaws 3,062]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

No you don't, the coach decides what's BEST for the TEAM. 

Right, I agree, the coach should make the decision to ask Barkley If he wants to try to set an nfl record, and help me win my championship, and my scoring championship.  

 

[gcmmidwest 149]

7 hours ago, weepaws said:

You let Barkley make that decision, can’t blame him for not playing, or for going for an nfl record. I hope he plays, I have a championship on the line, and total points.   I want to win. Get paid. And send that money to the northern Nevada food bank, and to the local Ronald McDonald House.  So wish me luck.   Indeed 

Wish you luck

Didn't know you practiced sorcery... Interesting 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

the coach should make the decision to ask Barkley If he wants to try to set an nfl record

#1 it's not an NFL record. The record is over 16 games, not 17. 

#2 The coach doesn't ask Barkley if he wants to play. The coach tells him whether he's playing or not. 

[Showboat 250]

11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

#1 it's not an NFL record. The record is over 16 games, not 17. 

I think this is the biggest reason to not go for the record, especially in a meaningless game.  How can anyone feel real proud of getting the single season rushing record, but requiring an extra game or three to do it in.  It's like breaking Usain Bolt's 100m record, but only having to run 90m due to some rules-change technicality.  The real issue is that the NFL should maintain season records from the 12, 14 and 16 game eras until someone beats them in the same number of games.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

37 minutes ago, Showboat said:

The real issue is that the NFL should maintain season records from the 12, 14 and 16 game eras until someone beats them in the same number of games.

I agree 100%

It's ridiculous that they even consider Week 18 games as "records". At least put an asterisk next to it. 

[weepaws 3,062]

47 minutes ago, Showboat said:

I think this is the biggest reason to not go for the record, especially in a meaningless game.  How can anyone feel real proud of getting the single season rushing record, but requiring an extra game or three to do it in.  It's like breaking Usain Bolt's 100m record, but only having to run 90m due to some rules-change technicality.  The real issue is that the NFL should maintain season records from the 12, 14 and 16 game eras until someone beats them in the same number of games.

 

8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I agree 100%

It's ridiculous that they even consider Week 18 games as "records". At least put an asterisk next to it. 

I disagree, Barkley is just playing in the number of games that’s on the schedule, go for it Barkley, set a new nfl record. 

[weepaws 3,062]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

#1 it's not an NFL record. The record is over 16 games, not 17. 

#2 The coach doesn't ask Barkley if he wants to play. The coach tells him whether he's playing or not. 

Right, the coach will asking him.  And number of games, Shame on the league for changing the number of games they play, but no shame to the players for competing, I guess most td passes in a career should count, since they changed the way a def can defend.  No, that’s silly.  Players play the games given them, I hope he sets the record, and I win. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

 

I disagree, Barkley is just playing in the number of games that’s on the schedule, go for it Barkley, set a new nfl record. 

How? Barkley is still 100 yards short in the same amount of games. That's ridiculous 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

3 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I hope he sets the record, and I win. 

He won't, Sirianni is sitting him 

 

[weepaws 3,062]

24 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

How? Barkley is still 100 yards short in the same amount of games. That's ridiculous 

Can’t punish the player for playing in the number of games on the schedule.  

[Showboat 250]

4 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Can’t punish the player for playing in the number of games on the schedule.  

Exactly, why punish Dickerson by stripping his record when he was only allowed to play a 16 game schedule.

[jrokh 599]

The number of games is less relevant than the number of carries…

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

3 minutes ago, jrokh said:

The number of games is less relevant than the number of carries…

That's a very good point to 

[weepaws 3,062]

47 minutes ago, Showboat said:

Exactly, why punish Dickerson by stripping his record when he was only allowed to play a 16 game schedule.

Exactly, why punish those that played in 14 and 12 game seasons, it can just keep on going. 

[weepaws 3,062]

22 minutes ago, jrokh said:

The number of games is less relevant than the number of carries…

Winner

[weepaws 3,062]

18 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That's a very good point to 

Dickerson had 379 rush att,  Barkley is at 345, so if Barkley breaks Dickerson record, with more games played in, but with less att that’s ok? Lol.  If Barkley plays, I doubt it would take him 34 att to break the record, so we agree.  Thanks 

[Showboat 250]

6 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Dickerson had 379 rush att,  Barkley is at 345, so if Barkley breaks Dickerson record, with more games played in, but with less att that’s ok? Lol.  If Barkley plays, I doubt it would take him 34 att to break the record, so we agree.  Thanks 

I know you are a bit biased in wanting Barkley to play for your fantasy team (and that's fine), but the fact remains that breaking a season record because you get to play an extra game cheapens the record and really makes it not worth going for in a meaningless game.  If you want to play the ypc game, Barkley would have a hard time beating Peterson's 2097 yards in 348 attempts not to mention Jim Brown 6.4 ypc in with 1863 yards in only 291 carries.  Any way you slice it, it seems like a bush-league and stupid move to use a extra meaningless game to attempt to "claim" a single-season record.

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3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

#1 it's not an NFL record. The record is over 16 games, not 17. 

100% agree. He was 110 yards short of the NFL record. Should he play and set the new yardage record, he should be tagged with the '*' and listed along with Dickerson.

And same applies to any records broken in the 17 game season. I'm glad Bowers got his in game 16 so it can't be questioned.

[frank 2,259]

1 hour ago, Showboat said:

Exactly, why punish Dickerson by stripping his record when he was only allowed to play a 16 game schedule.

O. J. Simpson had 2003 yards in a 14 game season. 

[Showboat 250]

1 minute ago, frank said:

O. J. Simpson had 2003 yards in a 14 game season. 

I know - I think that should still be recognized as the single season record as I stated in my original post.

[polecatt 474]

Most yards in a season is most yards in a season.

Else what you're really getting into is ypg, not yards in season. Then you open the door for a player who missed some games but had a higher ypg.

So, if you don't want to go that route, then it's most ypg, in a full season, which is the same as most yards in a season.

So the durability in the extra games played is part of the record.

It's just one of the many ways the game "progresses" over time.

[Ray_T 725]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I agree 100%

It's ridiculous that they even consider Week 18 games as "records". At least put an asterisk next to it. 

dont worry some stats nerds will keep track of all that.  we will have the 16 game record and a 17 game record.   and if they ever go to an 18 game season, they will have an 18 game record.

[weepaws 3,062]

2 hours ago, Showboat said:

I know you are a bit biased in wanting Barkley to play for your fantasy team (and that's fine), but the fact remains that breaking a season record because you get to play an extra game cheapens the record and really makes it not worth going for in a meaningless game.  If you want to play the ypc game, Barkley would have a hard time beating Peterson's 2097 yards in 348 attempts not to mention Jim Brown 6.4 ypc in with 1863 yards in only 291 carries.  Any way you slice it, it seems like a bush-league and stupid move to use a extra meaningless game to attempt to "claim" a single-season record.

I’m very biased, if I didn’t have Barkley on my ff team, I wouldn’t care. 

[jrokh 599]

Dead Issue...

https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/1874509850949886020

 

 

 

 

[weepaws 3,062]

Darn it, now it’s B Corum turn.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Darn it, now it’s B Corum turn.

Does anyone have a week 18 Championship Game? If so you're in the wrong league. Nobody should ever have to play a week 18 game. 

[weepaws 3,062]

No one has to.  Only those two teams good enough to make it.  Last regular season game is my favorite ff game, need to be a good manager.

 

[Ray_T 725]

23 hours ago, jrokh said:

Dead Issue...

https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/1874509850949886020

 

 

 

 

for sure, the right call for the team.

though the fans will, no doubt be disappointed.

I will go on record to say this shows what the difference is between a good O line and a bad one.    Look at Barkleys performance in New York the last couple of years and compare to what hes done in Philly.

I dont want to Criticize the New York Giants organization, but  they had an A grade talent and were unable to make the most of it.