Muhammad Ali - What am I missing?

[edjr 6,337]

Been watching a few his fights on ESPN. Seems to get his brains beat in quite often. I was obviously too young to watch or know anything about him.

 

 

[weepaws 3,023]

Rope-a-dope.  

[Patented Phil 1,315]

The personal insults he threw at Joe Frazier were over the top and unnecessary imo.  Joe never forgave him for it, right up until his death.

[squistion 1,682]

20 minutes ago, edjr said:

Been watching a few his fights on ESPN. Seems to get his brains beat in quite often. I was obviously too young to watch or know anything about him.

Arguably the best boxer who ever lived. 

He did not fight for nearly four years and lost a period of peak performance as an athlete due to his refusal to be drafted into the military, owing to his religious beliefs and ethical opposition to the Vietnam War. He was found guilty of draft evasion and stripped of his boxing titles. He stayed out of prison while appealing the decision to the Supreme Court, where his conviction was overturned in 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali

[Strike 4,837]

Brains got so scrambled he forgot his real name and had to make one up.

[frank 2,252]

35 minutes ago, Strike said:

Brains got so scrambled he forgot his real name and had to make one up.

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!
 

[Patented Phil 1,315]

6 minutes ago, frank said:

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!
 

And while Ali asked that we respect his wishes and call him by his preferred name, he was calling Joe Frazier a “gorilla” and “Uncle Tom”.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,064]

48 minutes ago, squistion said:

Arguably the best boxer who ever lived. 

He did not fight for nearly four years and lost a period of peak performance as an athlete due to his refusal to be drafted into the military, owing to his religious beliefs and ethical opposition to the Vietnam War. He was found guilty of draft evasion and stripped of his boxing titles. He stayed out of prison while appealing the decision to the Supreme Court, where his conviction was overturned in 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali

amazing you call him a hero for it, while calling trump a draft dodger (which he wasnt)

libtards hypocrits

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,457]

50 minutes ago, squistion said:

Arguably the best boxer who ever lived. 

He did not fight for nearly four years and lost a period of peak performance as an athlete due to his refusal to be drafted into the military, owing to his religious beliefs and ethical opposition to the Vietnam War. He was found guilty of draft evasion and stripped of his boxing titles. He stayed out of prison while appealing the decision to the Supreme Court, where his conviction was overturned in 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali

Kappy is a much more pivotal figure against the never ending struggle against THE MAN. 

[squistion 1,682]

16 minutes ago, frank said:

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!

Yeah, and you would think conservatives and those on the right would agree that he should have the right to do that - although they were the most critical of his name change at the time (and some still are).

Although the same folks today have no problem with the guy born James Donald Bowman calling himself J.D. Vance, go figure. 

[thegeneral 2,535]

30 minutes ago, frank said:

A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!
 

His momma named him Clay, I’m going to call him Clay.

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

Been watching a few his fights on ESPN. Seems to get his brains beat in quite often. I was obviously too young to watch or know anything about him.

 

 

I remember when boxing ruled and those heavyweight fights had such a mystique to them. That all went south with the rise of MMA, UFC, etc. Mike Tyson was the last of that boxing era, and as crappy as the Paul-Tyson fight was, for a moment there was a flash of that ol' mystique surrounding the fight. 

Heavyweight fights pretty much were two huge dudes beating each other's brains out round after round, and Ali was a helluva character back in the day, not to mention all the unique things he brought to the sport.

 

[Engorgeous George 1,801]

The man paid for and stood bye his convictions.

[squistion 1,682]

22 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

His momma named him Clay, I’m going to call him Clay.

And to be consistent, make sure and call Ted Cruz "Rafael" cuz his momma named him that.  

[Mike Honcho 4,751]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

Been watching a few his fights on ESPN. Seems to get his brains beat in quite often. I was obviously too young to watch or know anything about him.

 

 

Wow, this thread really took a turn---shocker.

Pre-suspension Ali was a heavy-weight with the defense and reflexes of a middleweight. Watching his early fights are great just to see him dodging punches nearly as they thrown. He was so impossibly fast and guys would just completely whiff and leave themselves totally defenseless to his counters. His left jab was incredibly accurate and the overhand right was deceptively powerful. Also you can't forget about his stamina, he looked fresh even in the late rounds. IMO, pre-suspension Ali might have been about as perfect of a fighter as you could put together. 

After the suspension though is when he fought some some wars and maybe the deepest heavyweight era of all-time, Frazier, Norton and Foreman, Quarry, Shavers and Patterson.  Except for Quarry, all those guys won at least one championship belt.  He wasn't the same fighter physically after the layoff, but he was still a brilliant tactician, and he just had so much will power to keep fighting.  And yeah, it took it's toll on him as seen in his later years, it was tough to see him like that.  

Based on the pre-suspension dominance of his early career and then the post-suspension comeback where he beat so many great fighters and beat them all(until the very end) I have him ranked as the best ever. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,402]

LOL, not surprised by the person who made political posts from comments that came directly from a comedy.

[Mike Honcho 4,751]

37 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yeah, and you would think conservatives and those on the right would agree that he should have the right to do that - although they were the most critical of his name change at the time (and some still are).

Although the same folks today have no problem with the guy born James Donald Bowman calling himself J.D. Vance, go figure. 

 

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

And to be consistent, make sure and call Ted Cruz "Rafael" cuz his momma named him that.  

They are quoting Coming to America.

 

[edjr 6,337]

6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Wow, this thread really took a turn---shocker.

Pre-suspension Ali was a heavy-weight with the defense and reflexes of a middleweight. Watching his early fights are great just to see him dodging punches nearly as they thrown. He was so impossibly fast and guys would just completely whiff and leave themselves totally defenseless to his counters. His left jab was incredibly accurate and the overhand right was deceptively powerful. Also you can't forget about his stamina, he looked fresh even in the late rounds. IMO, pre-suspension Ali might have been about as perfect of a fighter as you could put together. 

After the suspension though is when he fought some some wars and maybe the deepest heavyweight era of all-time, Frazier, Norton and Foreman, Quarry, Shavers and Patterson.  Except for Quarry, all those guys won at least one championship belt.  He wasn't the same fighter physically after the layoff, but he was still a brilliant tactician, and he just had so much will power to keep fighting.  And yeah, it took it's toll on him as seen in his later years, it was tough to see him like that.  

Based on the pre-suspension dominance of his early career and then the post-suspension comeback where he beat so many great fighters and beat them all(until the very end) I have him ranked as the best ever. 

Thank you, . 

[The Real timschochet 5,268]

I would recommend the book Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times by Thomas Hauser. Available on Kindle. One of the best and most fascinating biographies I’ve ever read. 

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34 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Wow, this thread really took a turn---shocker.

Pre-suspension Ali was a heavy-weight with the defense and reflexes of a middleweight. Watching his early fights are great just to see him dodging punches nearly as they thrown. He was so impossibly fast and guys would just completely whiff and leave themselves totally defenseless to his counters. His left jab was incredibly accurate and the overhand right was deceptively powerful. Also you can't forget about his stamina, he looked fresh even in the late rounds. IMO, pre-suspension Ali might have been about as perfect of a fighter as you could put together. 

After the suspension though is when he fought some some wars and maybe the deepest heavyweight era of all-time, Frazier, Norton and Foreman, Quarry, Shavers and Patterson.  Except for Quarry, all those guys won at least one championship belt.  He wasn't the same fighter physically after the layoff, but he was still a brilliant tactician, and he just had so much will power to keep fighting.  And yeah, it took it's toll on him as seen in his later years, it was tough to see him like that.  

Based on the pre-suspension dominance of his early career and then the post-suspension comeback where he beat so many great fighters and beat them all(until the very end) I have him ranked as the best ever. 

Well put, sir.

[CaptainObvious1 104]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Yeah, and you would think conservatives and those on the right would agree that he should have the right to do that - although they were the most critical of his name change at the time (and some still are).

Although the same folks today have no problem with the guy born James Donald Bowman calling himself J.D. Vance, go figure. 

Boxer name changes are political for you?  When is the last time you touched grass?

[The Real timschochet 5,268]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

As amazing you call him a hero for it, while calling trump a draft dodger (which he wasnt)

libtards hypocrits

 

Both Trump and Ali wisely avoided going to Vietnam. I would have as well. Ali, however, did it out of personal conviction, whereas Trump did it because, like me, he was afraid. 

[edjr 6,337]

54 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both Trump and Ali wisely avoided going to Vietnam. I would have as well. Ali, however, did it out of personal conviction, whereas Trump did it because, like me, he was afraid. 

Ali was afraid as well - convictions or not. Like 98% of people not interested in going to war against their will. 

[The Real timschochet 5,268]

Just now, edjr said:

Ali was afraid as well - convictions or not. Like 98% of people not interested in going to war against their will. 

I don’t believe he was afraid. I don’t disagree with your number but I think Ali was in the 2%. 

[kilroy69 1,163]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

Been watching a few his fights on ESPN. Seems to get his brains beat in quite often. I was obviously too young to watch or know anything about him.

 

 

He had a steel jaw and would let his opponent beat the crap out of him using up all their energy and then turned on them when they were weak from beating him. In 61 fights he was knocked down 4 times and never knocked out. 

[edjr 6,337]

3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

He had a steel jaw and would let his opponent beat the crap out of him using up all their energy and then turned on them when they were weak from beating him. In 61 fights he was knocked down 4 times and never knocked out. 

One of the fights I watched recently. He went 15 with Frazier and lost the decision. He was knocked down in the 15th and got right up. 

[squistion 1,682]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both Trump and Ali wisely avoided going to Vietnam. I would have as well. Ali, however, did it out of personal conviction, whereas Trump did it because, like me, he was afraid. 

Wisely?

I wouldn't call someone who dodged the draft with a falsified medical condition (like bone spurs) wise. That is not to be praised or admired. 

[The Real timschochet 5,268]

20 minutes ago, squistion said:

Wisely?

I wouldn't call someone who dodged the draft with a falsified medical condition (like bone spurs) wise. That is not to be praised or admired. 

Well to each their own. Personally I have no problem with Trump lying to avoid going to Vietnam. 

[edjr 6,337]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well to each their own. Personally I have no problem with Trump lying to avoid going to Vietnam. 

Easy for someone who was never drafted to cast aspersions upon others who wanted no part of it.

I am 100% anti-war. I would have run as far as I needed to, to not be caught up in that bullchit. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,222]

Sucker Punch : The Hard Left Hook That Dazed Ali And Killed Kings Dream. 
 

Ali was a scumbag.  Purposely divided this country. He used Joe Frazier for political purposes and Frazier never forgot it. 

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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sucker Punch : The Hard Left Hook That Dazed Ali And Killed Kings Dream. 
 

Ali was a scumbag.  Purposely divided this country. He used Joe Frazier for political purposes and Frazier never forgot it. 

Turdcore troubalogic:

Opposing Vietnam War = bad.

Rooting for Russia in war against Ukraine = good.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,222]

36 minutes ago, Death said:

Turdcore troubalogic:

Opposing Vietnam War = bad.

Rooting for Russia in war against Ukraine = good.

His issues with Frazier had nothing to do with Vietnam you feeble minded failure. 

[Mike Hunt 173]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

And to be consistent, make sure and call Ted Cruz "Rafael" cuz his momma named him that.  

And call Robert Francis O`Rourke what his momma named him instead of Beto.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,064]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both Trump and Ali wisely avoided going to Vietnam. I would have as well. Ali, however, did it out of personal conviction, whereas Trump did it because, like me, he was afraid. 

agree the draft imo is vastly unconstitutional

although Ali was drafted and Trump wasn't so its an irrelevant comparison

there is a 3rd category

people who aren't afraid (me) but don't believe in fighting in a war of lies for government profit

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,222]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Wisely?

I wouldn't call someone who dodged the draft with a falsified medical condition (like bone spurs) wise. That is not to be praised or admired. 

How about Asthma? 

[The Real timschochet 5,268]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sucker Punch : The Hard Left Hook That Dazed Ali And Killed Kings Dream. 
 

Ali was a scumbag.  Purposely divided this country. He used Joe Frazier for political purposes and Frazier never forgot it. 

Now THIS is hypocrisy. 

Putting aside the fact that everything Ali ever said about Frazier was designed to sell tickets to a sporting event, the fact that one could criticize it and yet either stay silent or actively defend Donald Trump’s history of vicious bigoted and false attacks against his opponents shows an incredible lack of awareness even for you. Throw in line about “purposely dividing the nation” and it’s almost unbelievable. 

[squistion 1,682]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well to each their own. Personally I have no problem with Trump lying to avoid going to Vietnam. 

So that some poor kid may have died in his place (whose daddy didn't bribe a doctor to falsify medical records).

[The Real timschochet 5,268]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

So that some poor kid may have died in his place (whose daddy didn't bribe a doctor to falsify medical records).

He’s not responsible for that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,222]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Now THIS is hypocrisy. 

Putting aside the fact that everything Ali ever said about Frazier was designed to sell tickets to a sporting event, the fact that one could criticize it and yet either stay silent or actively defend Donald Trump’s history of vicious bigoted and false attacks against his opponents shows an incredible lack of awareness even for you. Throw in line about “purposely dividing the nation” and it’s almost unbelievable. 

Trump! And constantly degrading a man in the name of ticket sales is ok I guess. Maybe you ought to read the book.  Ali hurled more racial epitaphs at Frazier than any redneck ever did. 

[weepaws 3,023]

38 minutes ago, squistion said:

So that some poor kid may have died in his place (whose daddy didn't bribe a doctor to falsify medical records).

How do you know that person died in n the war, maybe that person saved others from dying in that war, came home a hero.   

Deuteronomy 6:5.  And thou shalt love thy Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.   Indeed Amen Thanks