LA Wildfires, 100K people evacuated and counting

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

So- the main point to stress is this: these fires are not like other fires that have occurred in the past in Southern California. This was an anomaly. Yesterday was the worst day in southern California’s history, and the worst day in California history since the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. 
 

Liberal policies didn’t cause this disaster or make it particularly worse. Lots of mistakes were made and it will be easy for many to be armchair quarterbacks afterwards. And some thoughtful criticism is justified. 

Personally I believe the scientists who tell me that climate change is responsible for severe weather conditions like the unheard of 8 month drought and impossibly high winds  that contributed significantly to this catastrophe. But that doesn’t matter because at this point there is little we can do to stop climate change. 

[Hawkeye21 2,238]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

So- the main point to stress is this: these fires are not like other fires that have occurred in the past in Southern California. This was an anomaly. Yesterday was the worst day in southern California’s history, and the worst day in California history since the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. 
 

Liberal policies didn’t cause this disaster or make it particularly worse. Lots of mistakes were made and it will be easy for many to be armchair quarterbacks afterwards. And some thoughtful criticism is justified. 

Personally I believe the scientists who tell me that climate change is responsible for severe weather conditions like the unheard of 8 month drought and impossibly high  that contributed significantly to this catastrophe. But that doesn’t matter because at this point there is little we can do to stop climate change. 

Everyone needs to stop focusing on climate change and start putting more effort into preventative measures.  The spread of these fires could have been prevented but they did nothing.  That's on the people who run things there, which happen to be liberals.  The blame would be on them just the same if they were conservatives.

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Everyone needs to stop focusing on climate change and start putting more effort into preventative measures.  The spread of these fires could have been prevented but they did nothing.  That's on the people who run things there, which happen to be liberals.  The blame would be on them just the same if they were conservatives.

OK I’m listening. How? Explain the bolded as simply as you can. I’m open to your argument but I want to see what it is. 

[Engorgeous George 1,850]

If I had a business to run, and my relatives had just been burnt out of their home, I would be far too busy to be arguing inane political points on the internet.

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

After reading this article I DO think it’s reasonable to criticize the mayor, Karen Bass, over her 17 million dollar spending cut for the LA Fire Department, especially given the fact that in early December the fire chief warned that the cut would impact emergency response: 

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california-wildfires/la-widlfires-budget-cuts-palisades-fire/3598438/?amp=1

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

If I had a business to run, and my relatives had just been burnt out of their home, I would be far too busy to be arguing inane political points on the internet.

It’s 6:15 am. In one hour I head to work. Then I will be making calls to try to find an Airbnb for my in laws for a few months, right now they’re at my sister in law in Manhattan Beach but it’s too crowded there and I’m too far away in Orange County. Rest assured I’m on it, this is just killing time for me. But hey thanks for your concern! 

[Horseman 2,036]

Karma

[Horseman 2,036]

Just the in-laws? Looks like god missed a few people.   

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Just the in-laws? Looks like god missed a few people.   

Yep. In my family only my conservative Republican Trump supporting in-laws lost their house. Too bad right? You were rooting for more. 
 

Could you be any worse? 

[Hawkeye21 2,238]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK I’m listening. How? Explain the bolded as simply as you can. I’m open to your argument but I want to see what it is. 

Wildlife management is the first step.  Use controlled burns.  Fix the focking homeless problem.  Create fire breaks.  Have a well funded wildfire prevention task force.

There are plenty of things that can be done to help prevent the fires from happening and to stop the spread of them.  California is not the only place where droughts happen but you see wildfires like this happen near as much other places.

[listen2me 23 1,767]

Gavin Newson has a 3.5 million dollar house.  And recently bought a 9 million dollar house.  His tuition fees for his kids private schooling is 60k.  

Musk is your enemy.   

Gavin is your friend.  

[Horseman 2,036]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yep. In my family only my conservative Republican Trump supporting in-laws lost their house. Too bad right? You were rooting for more. 
 

Could you be any worse? 

I didn't say anything about Trump stupid.  I mean just take a look at their offspring.  

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Wildlife management is the first step.  Use controlled burns.  Fix the focking homeless problem.  Create fire breaks.  Have a well funded wildfire prevention task force.

There are plenty of things that can be done to help prevent the fires from happening and to stop the spread of them.  California is not the only place where droughts happen but you see wildfires like this happen near as much other places.

Not sure much of this pertains to the Palisades fire in which I’m told controlled burns wouldn’t have made a significant difference. I’m also not sure what homelessness has to do with it though I’d love to solve that issue, we all would. How? 

As to the rest of your points, they’re interesting. I’ll have to defer to firefighters or those in the know as to whether or not we’re already doing a lot of this stuff or if it would make an impact. I’m not educated enough to speculate. 

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I didn't say anything about Trump stupid.  I mean just take a look at their offspring.  

I’ll repeat: could you be any worse? 

[listen2me 23 1,767]

The DEI stuff doesnt have to be so controversial.   A DEI hire doesnt automatically mean those chosen are incompetent.   But when you seek to fill positions based on the color of ones skin or based on gender(s)....you may bypass people who would be better suited for said job.  All because you want to award jobs based on color or gender or sexual orientation.  Also, logically speaking...awarding positions based on those things opens yourself up more to someone who may be incompetent verses just seeking to put the very best person in the position.  

If Libs here want to wave their hand at DEI posts because posters are over the top...ok.  But you cant escape logic.  

 

[The Real timschochet 5,398]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

The DEI stuff doesnt have to be so controversial.   A DEI hire doesnt automatically mean those chosen are incompetent.   But when you seek to fill positions based on the color of ones skin or based on gender(s)....you may bypass people who would be better suited for said job.  All because you want to award jobs based on color or gender or sexual orientation.  Also, logically speaking...awarding positions based on those things opens yourself up more to someone who may be incompetent verses just seeking to put the very best person in the position.  

If Libs here want to wave their hand at DEI posts because posters are over the top...ok.  But you cant escape logic.  

 

How is this relevant to the Palisades catastrophe? 

[jonmx 2,251]

43 minutes ago, Fnord said:

This will be completely ignored by those here trying to score immediate political points from a tragedy. @jonmx

Fuk you.   The only point even remotely refuted was my benign point about water management.  The Democrats focus on open borders and supporting illegal immigrants, their concern over some obscure line of fish, their focus on fighting useless wars, their focus on tranny rights...America is sick of you bastards not caring about Americans.  And that is why Democrats are out of power 

[jonmx 2,251]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

How is this relevant to the Palisades catastrophe? 

Because the LAFD Fire Chief Kristin Crowley, who is openly a lesbian bio reads that her 'highest priority' is being devoted to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or DEI.....the fire chief's highest priority should be keeping people safe by providing fire fighters who are the most capable.   Same crap that went on with the SS team in charge of protecting Trump.  There are some jobs big strong healthy men are just better at. 

[Strike 4,869]

16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

As to your first point I agree 100%. If we find flaws in the system, mistakes, deliberate actions based on political philosophy that made things worse, by all means let’s have that discussion. I think it’s a little early to have it now and I sick to death of every time there’s a crisis people blaming liberalism (or conservatism) and lining up to take sides and prove they were right. 

Bullsh*t.  We've been talking about this for years.  Here are a couple of posts showing Newsom LYING about doing something about it and protecting a power company responsible for KILLING people:

 

So if we've ALREADY talked about it YEARS ago I think it's FAIR for us to bring it up AGAIN.  Maybe this time something will get done.  Not likely given California and all, but we can hope.

[Hawkeye21 2,238]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m also not sure what homelessness has to do with it though I’d love to solve that issue

Who started some of the fires?

[cmh6476 934]

why does every. single. post. here end up a political debate?

[Fnord 1,740]

13 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Fuk you.   The only point even remotely refuted was my benign point about water management.  The Democrats focus on open borders and supporting illegal immigrants, their concern over some obscure line of fish, their focus on fighting useless wars, their focus on tranny rights...America is sick of you bastards not caring about Americans.  And that is why Democrats are out of power 

Fuk yourself, I'm busy. Your rants are so tiresome and ignorant. Wait for 2 years for the inevitable voter rebuke, then another 2 for landslide losses after voters realize the country is run by Republican crooks and nutballs. Dems will be back in power and America will be in a weaker position than it is now because of Trump's 4 years of chaos, and you'll still be defending him and the oligarchs that blew it up and took the money. You are the worst kind of clueless sheep: the one that thinks he knows everything but in reality is a complete nincompoop. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,477]

When are the winds expected to die down?

[Strike 4,869]

Just getting up to speed on these fires.  Found this good 3d map showing evacuation orders and to an extent where and the status of fires:

https://calfire-forestry.maps.arcgis.com/home/webscene/viewer.html?webscene=0a7381c8b46b4e26a057383424f32c06

@OldMaid  Hope you're not getting too much smoke and all is well. 

[Strike 4,869]

9 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

why does every. single. post. here end up a political debate?

It can be both.  When politics play a part in the CAUSE of the disaster it's worth discussing.  People like @The Real timschochet don't think it's time to discuss the failings that brought things to this point, but as noted by my links above we brought those issues up the LAST time this type of thing happened and nothing has changed.  So, when do we discuss them?

[edjr 6,384]

 

[MDC 6,822]

53 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Karma

I feel sorry for you.

[TrailGuy 245]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Just the in-laws? Looks like god missed a few people.   

Garbage Human.

[Engorgeous George 1,850]

55 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Because the LAFD Fire Chief Kristin Crowley, who is openly a lesbian bio reads that her 'highest priority' is being devoted to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or DEI.....the fire chief's highest priority should be keeping people safe by providing fire fighters who are the most capable.   Same crap that went on with the SS team in charge of protecting Trump.  There are some jobs big strong healthy men are just better at. 

You discount too easily the magic fire suppression powers possessed by lesbians.

[Engorgeous George 1,850]

45 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Fuk yourself, I'm busy. Your rants are so tiresome and ignorant. Wait for 2 years for the inevitable voter rebuke, then another 2 for landslide losses after voters realize the country is run by Republican crooks and nutballs. Dems will be back in power and America will be in a weaker position than it is now because of Trump's 4 years of chaos, and you'll still be defending him and the oligarchs that blew it up and took the money. You are the worst kind of clueless sheep: the one that thinks he knows everything but in reality is a complete nincompoop. 

One of my Dad's favorite terms.  Myself, I favor "buffoon"

[Baker Boy 1,663]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

So- the main point to stress is this: these fires are not like other fires that have occurred in the past in Southern California. This was an anomaly. Yesterday was the worst day in southern California’s history, and the worst day in California history since the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. 
 

Liberal policies didn’t cause this disaster or make it particularly worse. Lots of mistakes were made and it will be easy for many to be armchair quarterbacks afterwards. And some thoughtful criticism is justified. 

Personally I believe the scientists who tell me that climate change is responsible for severe weather conditions like the unheard of 8 month drought and impossibly high winds  that contributed significantly to this catastrophe. But that doesn’t matter because at this point there is little we can do to stop climate change. 

You are acting just like Nero as Rome burned. They ran out of water, they took 18 million dollars from the fire department’s budget to spend on the homeless crisis, and controlled burnings were canceled. Just three things off the top of my head. Your attitude is exactly why LA is burning to the ground.

[Baker Boy 1,663]

49 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Fuk yourself, I'm busy. Your rants are so tiresome and ignorant. Wait for 2 years for the inevitable voter rebuke, then another 2 for landslide losses after voters realize the country is run by Republican crooks and nutballs. Dems will be back in power and America will be in a weaker position than it is now because of Trump's 4 years of chaos, and you'll still be defending him and the oligarchs that blew it up and took the money. You are the worst kind of clueless sheep: the one that thinks he knows everything but in reality is a complete nincompoop. 

This guy is 100% indoctrinated.

[HellToupee 1,289]

12 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Horrible. I’m also talking about animals in the wild

At least squissy will save the pigeons 

[HellToupee 1,289]

LA mayor Bass attacked Ted Cruz on twitter . As they say you can’t make this shite up. What a deplorable POS

 

“Ted Cruz fleeing Texas in the middle of a deadly crisis is part of a larger pattern of the GOP abandoning folks in crisis. 

We need to build a movement to kick them all out. “

[Engorgeous George 1,850]

So, the state which is the world's 5th biggest economy, the state home to the greatest liberal minds and tech minds on the planet lacked the funds and the foresight and the tech to address fire suppression, an issue which arises every single year in California.  Interesting.    

[Gepetto 1,199]

Whoa! These pictures are something else. https://www.yahoo.com/news/live/california-wildfires-live-updates-5-killed-palisades-fire-grows-as-sunset-fire-spreads-through-hollywood-hills-141555564.html 

[Baker Boy 1,663]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah none of this is relevant to the current crisis. And anyhow it’s total bullsh!t

Are you claiming they didn’t run out of water or that water is not important in fighting a fire?

Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see. John Lennon

[wiffleball 4,763]

Are all the blue roof houses safe?

[HellToupee 1,289]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

Because the LAFD Fire Chief Kristin Crowley, who is openly a lesbian bio reads that her 'highest priority' is being devoted to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or DEI.....the fire chief's highest priority should be keeping people safe by providing fire fighters who are the most capable.   Same crap that went on with the SS team in charge of protecting Trump.  There are some jobs big strong healthy men are just better at. 

I’ve been mistaken her as trans and not a lezzie. You learn something new everyday day

[thegeneral 2,581]

Regarding this budget issue. Heard a discussion about this by talking heads yesterday. The Fire Department budget was cut by 2% but the Police Department budget was raised by more than that. 

Go ahead and put Bass on blast for her trip IMO she can answer those questions as eating shet sandwiches comes with the job.

The budget for firefighting and controlled burns in these canyons doesn’t seem like the issue with this fire. Giant canyons and hills, houses built right up to the edge, insane wind. This was going to happen sooner or later