LA Wildfires, 100K people evacuated and counting

[Engorgeous George 1,946]

   

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Imagine simping for the likes of Karen Bass and actually saying none of this was preventable? 

[HellToupee 1,370]

Interesting insight 

[easilyscan 746]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Personally I believe the scientists who tell me that climate change is responsible for severe weather conditions like the unheard of 8 month drought 

I wonder what those scientists would've thought back in the 1930s

The drought of the 1930s, also known as the Dust Bowl, lasted nearly a decade, spanning roughly from 1930 to 1940, with the most severe drought periods occurring in 1934, 1936, and 1939-1940; impacting the Great Plains region with extreme drought conditions for almost a decade.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Imagine simping for the likes of Karen Bass and actually saying none of this was preventable? 

Yup.  As someone who grew up there I can tell you that these issues have been discussed for at least 40 years and taken more or less seriously at different times during that timeline.  We appear to be in one of the times when it is NOT being taken seriously.

[jbycho 318]

1 minute ago, easilyscan said:

I wonder what those scientists would've thought back in the 1930s

The drought of the 1930s, also known as the Dust Bowl, lasted nearly a decade, spanning roughly from 1930 to 1940, with the most severe drought periods occurring in 1934, 1936, and 1939-1940; impacting the Great Plains region with extreme drought conditions for almost a decade.

Yep. There is always global or climate  something going on in this darned world. 

All these brilliant scientists somehow seem to forget to look at the past 4.5 billion years of consistent change of climate on this planet. 

[easilyscan 746]

6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Interesting insight 

5:21 we can't have 9 angry lesbians controlling everything that goes on.

Literally LOL!

[jerryskids 6,317]

Sorry to hear about the losses of your families' houses, @The Real timschochetand @jonmx

I'm worried about a few geeks.

Somebody mentioned @OldMaid.  I think she might live in/near the area of the Palisades Fire.  @SUXBNMEor @BunnysBastatrds, do you have a fax number for her?

I think @nobodyhas checked in, but if not, I presume he works south of LAX based on his industry, which should be fine.  Not sure where he lives though.  My guess would be inland a little from Redondo Beach, also safe.

Also, doesn't @squistionlive in/near Pasadena?  That's the site of the Eaton fire.  He claims to have me on ignore, but if any of you FBG Lefties know how to send him a carrier pigeon, it would be good to get a check in.

Somebody mentioned @mobb_deep -- I'm not sure where he lives, but he used to work in Irvine which is not in danger.

Also I'm changing the title to 100K evacuations. 

 

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry to hear about the losses of your families' houses, @The Real timschochetand @jonmx

I'm worried about a few geeks.

Somebody mentioned @OldMaid.  I think she might live in/near the area of the Palisades Fire.  @SUXBNMEor @BunnysBastatrds, do you have a fax number for her?

I think @nobodyhas checked in, but if not, I presume he works south of LAX based on his industry, which should be fine.  Not sure where he lives though.  My guess would be inland a little from Redondo Beach, also safe.

Also, doesn't @squistionlive in/near Pasadena?  That's the site of the Eaton fire.  He claims to have me on ignore, but if any of you FBG Lefties know how to send him a carrier pigeon, it would be good to get a check in.

Somebody mentioned @mobb_deep -- I'm not sure where he lives, but he used to work in Irvine which is not in danger.

Also I'm changing the title to 100K evacuations. 

 

I mentioned old maid.  She lives in the same neighborhood I grew up in.  It's adjacent to the Palisades fire.  Not in an evacuation zone at this.point.  Texted with a buddy in that area this morning and he's ok so she should be but having dealt with similar situations in that area in the past I can say it's not a comfortable feeling and often you're overwhelmed by the smoke.  Hoping she checks in here.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114]

if I have 100 gallons of water and a Dictator we will call him "Newsoulini" comes in and says he needs 50 gallons of that water for some stupid fish and then a fire comes and we have no water to put it out, some how we are not to blame "Newsoulini"

if I think to myself, wow there is a forest that is out there and its kinda dry cause we haven't hit rain season, boy there are a lot of leaves on the ground, I think I am going to get a group of guys to help me clean that up so there is no tinder, but then "Newsoulini" comes in and says no YOU CANNOT clean up that forest near by you, then that tinder catches spark, we somehow again cannot blame "Newsoulini"

if "Newsoulini"'s henchmen is in charge of the fire dept in my nearby village, and comes in and strips that dept of water and resources, again we can not blame "Newsoulini" or his henchman

if "Newsoulini" invites homeless bums into the area who start fires and never wants to fix the problem, somehow we cannot blame "Newsoulini"

but what we can do is blame Trump

all the the persons mentioned above are fictitious and no way mean to represent anything that is occurring

[TheNewGirl 1,224]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

I mentioned old maid.  She lives in the same neighborhood I grew up in.  It's adjacent to the Palisades fire.  Not in an evacuation zone at this.point.  Texted with a buddy in that area this morning and he's ok so she should be but having dealt with similar situations in that area in the past I can say it's not a comfortable feeling and often you're overwhelmed by the smoke.  Hoping she checks in here.

She's okay for now. 

[Baker Boy 1,667]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This unprecedented fire was fueled by 8 months of no rain.

Actually the last two years California has had above average rain fall of +12% and +10%.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we09a.php

 

[thegeneral 2,644]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This unprecedented fire was fueled by 8 months of no rain.

Actually the last two years California has had above average rain fall of +12% and +10%.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we09a.php

The rain allowed a bunch of grass, low lying plants to grow, then it dried out.

I was up in wine area of NoCal a few years back in early summer, They had a wet spring and there was lush grass everywhere.

Mentioned it to a local how it must be nice since they were in a drought. He said something to the effect of yeah but all this grass will be fuel if we have a fire. They had a huge one later that summer about 20 miles from where we were talking.

[jbycho 318]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

The rain allowed a bunch of grass, low lying plants to grow, then it dried out.

I was up in wine area of NoCal a few years back in early summer, They had a wet spring and there was lush grass everywhere.

Mentioned it to a local how it must be nice since they were in a drought. He said something to the effect of yeah but all this grass will be fuel if we have a fire. They had a huge one later that summer about 20 miles from where we were talking.

So what is it? The rain was bad? Yet you complained about no rain? 

And you dismiss the history of the weather in general? 

[TheNewGirl 1,224]

Just now, jbycho said:

So what is it? The rain was bad? Yet you complained about no rain? 

And you dismiss the history of the weather in general? 

The rain is bad because our govt doesn't have enough reservoirs OR they let too much water out of them. I live next to one and it's kind of amazing how much water they let out. 

Grass grows and then is completely dried out. Poor land management and not cutting it back is just burn fuel....dry/lack of reservoirs esp in SoCal are a big problem. They were voted on and funded, yet nothing. 

This whole thing and every time there is a wild fire, you see where your money is going...and it's not more fire fighters and fire prevention. It's to the OTHER environmental "things" CA claims. Like random fish, some kind of moth, or a protected type of weed. 

[thegeneral 2,644]

4 minutes ago, jbycho said:

So what is it? The rain was bad? Yet you complained about no rain? 

And you dismiss the history of the weather in general? 

Rain in this case was both good and bad. You know things are usually like this in life, right? 

[avoiding injuries 1,411]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Everyone needs to stop focusing on climate change and start putting more effort into preventative measures.  The spread of these fires could have been prevented but they did nothing.  That's on the people who run things there, which happen to be liberals.  The blame would be on them just the same if they were conservatives.

I heard on the radio as I was driving this morning that the issues go back quite some time. 
First, when Jerry Brown was governor he implemented water rationing. I had forgotten about it but while they were talking they mentioned neighbors were reporting other neighbors for watering their lawns which I remembered. Some residents were able to use water on Tuesday and Thursday, while others had water Monday and Wednesday. 
Second, Trump was talking about the need to rake and trim the brush in the forests, but Bill Clinton signed a bill when he was in office that banned trucks and workers from going into the forest in order to protect the spotted owl. 
Then there’s the protection of the smelt fish, which has also contributed to the scarcity of water for California residents. 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,175]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Confirmed that my FIL’s house is gone. 

 Sorry man. 

[listen2me 23 1,779]

24 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The rain allowed a bunch of grass, low lying plants to grow, then it dried out.

I was up in wine area of NoCal a few years back in early summer, They had a wet spring and there was lush grass everywhere.

Mentioned it to a local how it must be nice since they were in a drought. He said something to the effect of yeah but all this grass will be fuel if we have a fire. They had a huge one later that summer about 20 miles from where we were talking.

So in other words you are saying these dry places in California do not want rain?  

[thegeneral 2,644]

7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So in other words you are saying these dry places in California do not want rain?  

No. They want rain and need it. But it also in part creates conditions that are problematic. Pretty tough situation they find themselves in.

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

No. They want rain and need it. But it also in part creates conditions that are problematic. Pretty tough situation they find themselves in.

Maybe they should cut their grass?  :Shrug:

[jerryskids 6,317]

35 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The rain allowed a bunch of grass, low lying plants to grow, then it dried out.

I was up in wine area of NoCal a few years back in early summer, They had a wet spring and there was lush grass everywhere.

Mentioned it to a local how it must be nice since they were in a drought. He said something to the effect of yeah but all this grass will be fuel if we have a fire. They had a huge one later that summer about 20 miles from where we were talking.

My wife and I laugh about this every year.  We've lived here 35 years, and every year, no matter the winter weather, it means high chance of fires.  Rainy winter?  Your first paragraph, more plants that will dry out, more fires!  Dry winter?  Your last paragraph, even dryer plants, more fires!  We've never once heard them say "you know what?  There won't be a high chance of fires this season."

To your middle paragraph -- 6 years ago we went to Napa for our 25th anniversary; stayed in Healdsburg -- home of the big red wines, and @Bier Meisterset up a semi-private tour of Silver Oak which was phenomenal.  Anyway, one morning we took a break from day drinking and hiked an area just north of town.  We were amazed at the density of the gorse/brush, and how dry it was.  I mean, it looked like if a fire started, it would just zoom through the entire area with nothing to stop it.

[avoiding injuries 1,411]

The fire department is using purses to try and put out fires.  

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1877391747040293068?s=46

[thegeneral 2,644]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Maybe they should cut their grass?  :Shrug:

Maybe. That’s a lot of grass, in canyons, steep hillsides, etc. The people I have heard talking about this, not screaming heads on cable news, but seemed more reasonable weren’t in lockstep on this.

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Just now, avoiding injuries said:

The fire department is using purses to try and put out fires.  

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1877391747040293068?s=46

If Karen Bass hadn't cut their budget they could be using designer purses.  Unfortunately they had to get cheapies from Wal-Mart.

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Maybe. That’s a lot of grass, in canyons, steep hillsides, etc. The people I have heard talking about this, not screaming heads on cable news, but seemed more reasonable weren’t in lockstep on this.

Alternatively let's do nothing.  What's the worst that could happen?

[thegeneral 2,644]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My wife and I laugh about this every year.  We've lived here 35 years, and every year, no matter the winter weather, it means high chance of fires.  Rainy winter?  Your first paragraph, more plants that will dry out, more fires!  Dry winter?  Your last paragraph, even dryer plants, more fires!  We've never once heard them say "you know what?  There won't be a high chance of fires this season."

To your middle paragraph -- 6 years ago we went to Napa for our 25th anniversary; stayed in Healdsburg -- home of the big red wines, and @Bier Meisterset up a semi-private tour of Silver Oak which was phenomenal.  Anyway, one morning we took a break from day drinking and hiked an area just north of town.  We were amazed at the density of the gorse/brush, and how dry it was.  I mean, it looked like if a fire started, it would just zoom through the entire area with nothing to stop it.

There’s probably something to that when living in a dry climate. Fires will be a thing.

Gotta say I wasn’t impressed with Silver Oak :gasp:. Lots of sizzle, didn’t love the steak . Fine and all but won’t be returning! That part of the world is so great. If money were no object would def have a place there.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

The last word General actually thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. 

[easilyscan 746]

5 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

The fire department is using purses to try and put out fires.  

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1877391747040293068?s=46

Priceless

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

7 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

The fire department is using purses to try and put out fires.  

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1877391747040293068?s=46

I’m not going to allow myself to believe that is real. I prefer to be in denial than accept that is real. 

[thegeneral 2,644]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Alternatively let's do nothing.  What's the worst that could happen?

I wouldn’t say they have done nothing

Could they do more? Not really sure. In the case of this fire I don’t think it was going to be preventable. Hopefully there is honest and useful discussion about it.

[Strike 4,945]

Karen Bass says if you need help visit "URL.". She literally said URL. 

[thegeneral 2,644]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The last word General actually thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. 

Go fock yourself ballbag!

[listen2me 23 1,779]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

No. They want rain and need it. But it also in part creates conditions that are problematic. Pretty tough situation they find themselves in.

If there is no fix.  Rain wont help.  Then you would think, logically, it would make sense to increase your resources for fires.  Not cut it.  Since thats literally all you can do.  But logic isnt a a strength of those people.  

That or I guess you can wait until China slows pollution and the climate changes.  You know climate change and all. 

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I wouldn’t say they have done nothing

Could they do more? Not really sure. In the case of this fire I don’t think it was going to be preventable. Hopefully there is honest and useful discussion about it.

Sure they did.  I posted a link earlier of Newsom literally lying about this previously.  How do I know he's telling the truth now?

[jerryskids 6,317]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

There’s probably something to that when living in a dry climate. Fires will be a thing.

Gotta say I wasn’t impressed with Silver Oak :gasp:. Lots of sizzle, didn’t love the steak . Fine and all but won’t be returning! That part of the world is so great. If money were no object would def have a place there.

I hope to never reach a point of wine snobbery where I am meh about Silver Oak. 

Although I will say, we really enjoyed Kathryn Hall wines.  We've got a bottle from our trip on our top shelf which we plan to open next September 29, which is the 5 year anniversary of my cancer surgery.   

[thegeneral 2,644]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

If there is no fix.  Rain wont help.  Then you would think, logically, it would make sense to increase your resources for fires.  Not cut it.  Since thats literally all you can do.  But logic isnt a a strength of those people.  

That or I guess you can wait until China slows pollution and the climate changes.  You know climate change and all. 

Cutting the fire department does look particularly bad at the moment, although it was by 2% and the police department budget was raised. Mayor Bass should be getting asked about this, it’s her job to answer.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Cutting the fire department does look particularly bad at the moment, although it was by 2% and the police department budget was raised. Mayor Bass should be getting asked about this, it’s her job to answer.

What does one have to do with the other?  Want to enlighten us about the budget for the garbage men too?

[supermike80 1,660]

Ugh....The left talks about climate change all the time.   Blames literally everything on it.   Yet, have done what appears to be very little to mitigate the risks from it.

LA?  Dry...not quite a "desert" by definition but close.   Santa Ana winds?  Nothing new.  There's a frickin name for them for crying out loud.

Instead of listening to themselves when they cry climate change and take steps to deal with that potential impact..Like fire mitigation measures that have been in place for decades, they ignore it and instead tell me to buy an electric car and stop using hot water in my shower.  

They are focused on the wrong things....If climate is true and real, it ain't changing.   It's not.   So take that energy and put it into how do we adapt?   California, from what I am reading, has gone the exact opposite direction of that, and it's a shame.

[thegeneral 2,644]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I hope to never reach a point of wine snobbery where I am meh about Silver Oak. 

Although I will say, we really enjoyed Kathryn Hall wines.  We've got a bottle from our trip on our top shelf which we plan to open next September 29, which is the 5 year anniversary of my cancer surgery.   

The vibe there was too much, they checked us in like we were at an airport. Overpriced. I like the smaller spots. Wine was fine but there are so many up there. Place was highly recommended by my friends (and of course they are an OG in the industry up there) who always crap all over Washington reds

Congrats on beating cancer. Fock that shet. Cheers to you and yours on that day. Drink the best bottle you have!