Why Was Pacific Palisades Reservoir Empty?

[Fnord 1,803]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I will say this.  I would rather have goats roaming around my property and pooping on it rather than homeless folks as some here have advocated.  I don't know what is in the diets of the homeless, but their turds are quite offensive, akin to my own, really.  Also, say you are having a party.  if a goat wanders by and drops a few raisins it is maybe a conversation starter, if some giant homeless slob like me comes by and drops a typical foul smelling log, well, party over, everybody who is not sickened is actively running away.  Some with weak constitutions may not make it out alive.

And this, good sir, is why you do not have the constitution or desire to live in CA.  Appearance over substance is unwritten law, and one's societal value is directly connected to what car they drive. I love the state, and miss living there. But ultimately, when deciding to leave, it came down to how expensive it was, and the lack of values observed among much of its citizenry. And I do not mean that to besmirch anyone living there. But I observed more feckless behavior in that state than I suspect I ever will anywhere else.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Yup. How much time and money get spent on a couple hundred acres of controlled burn? Who decides what areas get burned? Then who gets pissed because their area does NOT get a controlled burn? Who pays for it

Ask the Mayor, it wasn't in the budget. 

TRANNY SHELTERS were though. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

The 750 k Head of the department of water said that Equity and social justice were the most importance aspects of her job.  Not full reservoirs. 

[Engorgeous George 1,950]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

And this, good sir, is why you do not have the constitution or desire to live in CA.  Appearance over substance is unwritten law, and one's societal value is directly connected to what car they drive. I love the state, and miss living there. But ultimately, when deciding to leave, it came down to how expensive it was, and the lack of values observed among much of its citizenry. And I do not mean that to besmirch anyone living there. But I observed more feckless behavior in that state than I suspect I ever will anywhere else.

 Very true.

 

[Fnord 1,803]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Here's the thing, it's California. Their WOKE Politicians, Woke budgeting and Woke restrictions were going to catch up with them someday. Here we are. 

It's impossible for a Government to function as designed when the Mayor's are more worried about diversity than Public Safety. 

Everything i just said is 100% true and completely accurate. Who's at fault, the voters, the Woke politicians or the wind? 

Like I said, there's plenty of blame to share. CA is run by liberals, so obviously they're going to be the first ones blamed. That is deserved. That you somehow think it would be different with Republicans in control is the non-starter I object to.

Also, it's interesting when the party of state's rights starts pounding the drum for federal intervention over state spending, in this case disaster relief funds. Not a great look.

[Engorgeous George 1,950]

Just now, Fnord said:

Like I said, there's plenty of blame to share. CA is run by liberals, so obviously they're going to be the first ones blamed. That is deserved. That you somehow think it would be different with Republicans in control is the non-starter I object to.

Also, it's interesting when the party of state's rights starts pounding the drum for federal intervention over state spending, in this case disaster relief funds. Not a great look.

It would have been different but equally as ineffective.  Neither political party has a monopoly on incompetence.

[Fnord 1,803]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

It would have been different but equally as ineffective.  Neither political party has a monopoly on incompetence.

Hallelujah and amen.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Like I said, there's plenty of blame to share. CA is run by liberals, so obviously they're going to be the first ones blamed. That is deserved. That you somehow think it would be different with Republicans in control is the non-starter I object to.

Also, it's interesting when the party of state's rights starts pounding the drum for federal intervention over state spending, in this case disaster relief funds. Not a great look.

Well it’s federal money. Duh

[TrailGuy 412]

Not reading 6 pages of hatred and nonsense but I would assume the question has been answered?  The reservoir was empty for repairs.

I assume that it needed to be repaired because the mayor is black and gay, right?  And the fire would have been extinguished if the reservoir didn't need to be repaired? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Repairs for a year.  

[RLLD 3,985]

14 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Not reading 6 pages of hatred and nonsense but I would assume the question has been answered?  The reservoir was empty for repairs.

I assume that it needed to be repaired because the mayor is black and gay, right?  And the fire would have been extinguished if the reservoir didn't need to be repaired? 

Might you agree that this situation has not unfolded in a satisfactory manner?   Either the policy is flawed, or it was not followed and at the very least, leadership has not met the need?

[TrailGuy 412]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Might you agree that this situation has not unfolded in a satisfactory manner?   Either the policy is flawed, or it was not followed and at the very least, leadership has not met the need?

It's kinda too early to tell and there will be plenty of time to find out.

What we've seen is political BS blaming the catastrophe on politics, race and sexuality, and that's not who are as Americans, well maybe we are now but we shouldn't be.  We're supposed to support each other in times of crisis.

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I think it was empty cause THEY were out to get Mel Gibson

 

[jbycho 318]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

It's kinda too early to tell and there will be plenty of time to find out.

What we've seen is political BS blaming the catastrophe on politics, race and sexuality, and that's not who are as Americans, well maybe we are now but we shouldn't be.  We're supposed to support each other in times of crisis.

Just curious. What did you do in support of those who were affected? During this time of crisis. 

[TrailGuy 412]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Just curious. What did you do in support of those who were affected? During this time of crisis. 

I didn't do anything boyo 

I don't live in CA nor am I a firefighter.

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3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It's kinda too early to tell and there will be plenty of time to find out.

What we've seen is political BS blaming the catastrophe on politics, race and sexuality, and that's not who are as Americans, well maybe we are now but we shouldn't be.  We're supposed to support each other in times of crisis.

I do not concur that it is too early to tell.  The expanse of damage tells us enough.

California has spent the last 20 years drastically improving their posture toward wildfires, and notably the last 6 years really putting in the work after the Camp Fire issue in 2018.

So then, either the policy was deeply flawed, or it was not followed. Either situation points to a lack of quality at the highest levels of leadership.

But lets set that aside.

Would you agree that there was knowledge of the drained reservoir among at least the local governmental leadership?

[TrailGuy 412]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I do not concur that it is too early to tell.  The expanse of damage tells us enough.

California has spent the last 20 years drastically improving their posture toward wildfires, and notably the last 6 years really putting in the work after the Camp Fire issue in 2018.

So then, either the policy was deeply flawed, or it was not followed. Either situation points to a lack of quality at the highest levels of leadership.

But lets set that aside.

Would you agree that there was knowledge of the drained reservoir among at least the local governmental leadership?

I would assume so yes from what I've read.

[jbycho 318]

50 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It's kinda too early to tell and there will be plenty of time to find out.

What we've seen is political BS blaming the catastrophe on politics, race and sexuality, and that's not who are as Americans, well maybe we are now but we shouldn't be.  We're supposed to support each other in times of crisis.

 

45 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

I didn't do anything boyo 

I don't live in CA nor am I a firefighter.

Then wtf are you rambling on about? 

[RLLD 3,985]

47 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

I would assume so yes from what I've read.

I submit that armed with that knowledge a reasonable leader would have contingency plans in place which offset the risk created by the drained reservoir.  To me this is simple and standard leadership. I do not think this is an extravagant expectation.

To me, no matter how you approach this event, the lack of quality leadership appears again, and again. 

[TrailGuy 412]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I submit that armed with that knowledge a reasonable leader would have contingency plans in place which offset the risk created by the drained reservoir.  To me this is simple and standard leadership. I do not think this is an extravagant expectation.

To me, no matter how you approach this event, the lack of quality leadership appears again, and again. 

The contingency plan was the other reservoirs.   Was there a plan in place for 8 months of no rain and 100mph winds in January?  No there was not.  If that reservoir was online would it have mattered, not really.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

1 hour ago, TrailGuy said:

What we've seen is political BS blaming

I don't think it's BS at all. We know about the empty reservoir and major budget cuts to Emergency Services in favor of DEI Programs and Tranny Shelters. 

Drained LA reservoir in worst fire-ravaged area has repeatedly needed repairs, sat empty since Feb. 2024: report

Drained LA reservoir in worst fire-ravaged area has repeatedly needed repairs, sat empty since Feb. 2024: report

[RLLD 3,985]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

The contingency plan was the other reservoirs.   Was there a plan in place for 8 months of no rain and 100mph winds in January?  No there was not.  If that reservoir was online would it have mattered, not really.

No, a contingency plan would "backup" the reservoirs.  When planning for redundancy for critical infrastructure, you do not go a single level, you go multiple levels. By way of example, a good leader would backup their reservoir solution with others, perhaps coordinating the emergency implementation of water trucks to be available. But all of this is conducted in table-top exercises where a variety of levels of criticality are explored.

There is a doctrine that governs how to handle continuation of operations planning.  It is rather clear that there was absolutely no redundancy even attempted here.

So we have the initial failure of policy and planning, potentially augmented by the further failure of proper governance of implementation and rounded out with a failure for contingency planning.

These are elected officials.  They do not deserve our energy to defend them.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

The truth about the DEI Lesbian Fire Chiefs 

 

[TrailGuy 412]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, a contingency plan would "backup" the reservoirs.  When planning for redundancy for critical infrastructure, you do not go a single level, you go multiple levels. By way of example, a good leader would backup their reservoir solution with others, perhaps coordinating the emergency implementation of water trucks to be available. But all of this is conducted in table-top exercises where a variety of levels of criticality are explored.

There is a doctrine that governs how to handle continuation of operations planning.  It is rather clear that there was absolutely no redundancy even attempted here.

So we have the initial failure of policy and planning, potentially augmented by the further failure of proper governance of implementation and rounded out with a failure for contingency planning.

These are elected officials.  They do not deserve our energy to defend them.

Water trucks were available.  They were filled and there before the fire started.  The backup to that was ocean water which was used once the wind allowed an aerial assault to begin.

Facts not feelz boyo, but keep attacking the people you disagree with.

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1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

Water trucks were available.  They were filled and there before the fire started.  The backup to that was ocean water which was used once the wind allowed an aerial assault to begin.

Facts not feelz boyo, but keep attacking the people you disagree with.

You are not being honest.  the governor stepped in to provide those trucks, they were not part of any contingency plan.  He reacted to the problem, it was not part of the plan, they were not standing by as they should have been.

Defending these people is not what we should be doing. They do not deserve to be defended.

[TrailGuy 412]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You are not being honest.  the governor stepped in to provide those trucks, they were not part of any contingency plan.  He reacted to the problem, it was not part of the plan, they were not standing by as they should have been.

Defending these people is not what we should be doing. They do not deserve to be defended.

I know I heard somewhere that there were tankers ready before the fire.  Facts not feelz.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

I remember when Katrina was George Bush’s’ fault.  

[Engorgeous George 1,950]

At my brother's place in Grand Lake he and I took down all the beetle kill pines.  We cut them up into firewood.  (Took the better part of a year. Of course we worked on it only when we felt like it.) The slash from the trees we put through a chopper, mixed with some compost, and rototilled into the ground and overseeded with oats and wildflower seed.  (Both are no longer evident but they did germinate and help hold the soil the first year.) His property was getting overgrown and dry so we put a herd of goats on it for a month, 20 goats for 40 acres.  We also had a pump and a generator.  See we knew fire was inevitable given all the fuel for one from the beetle kill on all the pines. When the East Troublesome fire approached his property we got out.  We left the generator and the pump on, pumping water from his pond to multiple hoses attached to sprinklers.  He lost some kayaks and some record albums in a storage shed.  The shed did not burn but the heat caused some melting.  The otters did not return to his pond for two years.  We don't know if they were disturbed by the sudden water draw down or from the ash sediment which ran into the pond after the first rains.  His house, garage, and barn made it just fine.

 

I do note there were some fantastic buying opportunites for land in the area after as many folks just wanted out.  Now there are very attractive high mountain meadow where the pines use to dominate and aspens are populating the area.  The elk herds seem larger than before.  I think the meadows support more of them.  We don't see moose any more.  I have no explanation for that other than they seem to like being at the edge of forests along creek bottoms.  I purchased ten acres.  I have not built on it as of yet.  I am now thinking of selling it. 

[RLLD 3,985]

9 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

I know I heard somewhere that there were tankers ready before the fire.  Facts not feelz.

As I stated, Newsome called them into play on the 8th.  Now, a proper plan would have had them ready to be pulled into action from day 1, this is how contingency planning is established.

You should reconsider this tilt toward defending these people, and instead insist on accountability.

[Horseman 2,131]

5 hours ago, Fnord said:

You propose brush hogs to clear hundreds of thousands of acres in and around one of the 10 largest focking cities in the world by land area and have the chutzpah to call others stupid?

LOL. You can't even stop owning yourself, Toxic Horsemanurity.

I clear 6 acres every year and it only takes me one day.  And I have a small tractor. Certainly you can see how that is scalable right?  That's 200 acres in 30 days. A bigger machine and its 2000 acres. 50 machines is your 100,000 acres you're complaining about.  

Wait, you didn't think brush hogs were animals did you?  Yeah, it's pretty clear who the stupid one is.  

 

[BirdGang 385]

7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I clear 6 acres every year and it only takes me one day.  And I have a small tractor. Certainly you can see how that is scalable right?  That's 200 acres in 30 days. A bigger machine and its 2000 acres. 50 machines is your 100,000 acres you're complaining about.  

Wait, you didn't think brush hogs were animals did you?  Yeah, it's pretty clear who the stupid one is.  

 

The lib mentality is so weak. Your estimates are conservative as well. Libs just aren’t used to working. 

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9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I clear 6 acres every year and it only takes me one day.  And I have a small tractor. Certainly you can see how that is scalable right?  That's 200 acres in 30 days. A bigger machine and its 2000 acres. 50 machines is your 100,000 acres you're complaining about.  

Wait, you didn't think brush hogs were animals did you?  Yeah, it's pretty clear who the stupid one is.  

 

I just replied to him in another thread where he's talking about brush hogs eating.  He's dumb as a doorstop.

[Horseman 2,131]

8 hours ago, Fnord said:

I would love to know how you clear a few hundred thousand acres

 

5 hours ago, Fnord said:

 Running glorified mowers across a few million acres is not a real solution. HTH.

 

4 hours ago, Fnord said:

At approx 100 million acres. It is mostly an arid state (that means dry). 

I

[BirdGang 385]

1 hour ago, TrailGuy said:

Water trucks were available.  They were filled and there before the fire started.  The backup to that was ocean water which was used once the wind allowed an aerial assault to begin.

Facts not feelz boyo, but keep attacking the people you disagree with.

Typical Lib talking out his azz to defend the clowns he blindly follows. Too bad they don’t care about you 1% as much as you worship your clown lib “leaders”. 

[WhiteWonder 2,565]

On 1/13/2025 at 1:42 PM, Cdub100 said:

Oy Vey! Stop asking questions. Just accept there wasn't anything to be done.

I read this in zoidbergs voice

[Horseman 2,131]

The backup to put out a fire was the ocean.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

I'm watching a Press Conference regarding the fires. HOLY SHIZZ, they're all DEI. One after the other. 

Is the whole damn State DEI? 

[Cdub100 3,734]

34 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'm watching a Press Conference regarding the fires. HOLY SHIZZ, they're all DEI. One after the other. 

Is the whole damn State DEI? 

The kroger near my house has a they them manager. I've noticed the past couple years more and more working there. It's what they do. Once one gets in they reproduce and pretty much hirer other mentally ill people like them. It's a great way to destroy company/country.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

The kroger near my house has a they them manager. I've noticed the past couple years more and more working there. It's what they do. Once one gets in they reproduce and pretty much hirer other mentally ill people like them. It's a great way to destroy company/country.

Truth, they're everywhere. There's a mentally ill crossdresser working at our local Publix Supermarket. He's absolutely hideous, frightens all the Kids. 

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19 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

The kroger near my house has a they them manager. I've noticed the past couple years more and more working there. It's what they do. Once one gets in they reproduce and pretty much hirer other mentally ill people like them. It's a great way to destroy company/country.

Yeah, I saw a fire bypass a black-owned house.  Fire is racist.