The Psychic Observer 321 Posted January 17 Economy - Dow is 43.5k, Inflation rate is at 2.9%, Unemployment rate is at 4.1% with 161M people employed, GDP growth is 3.1%. The US has the best economy in the world among the G6. Illegal border crossings - 44k December 2024, lowest level since July 2020. Crime - Violent crime rate continues to fall back to 2019 levels We will revisit these metrics quarterly as Trump puts his footprint on America. 1 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,779 Posted January 17 So what do you want to discuss now? Lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 2,644 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: So what do you want to discuss now? Lol Well how the country is doing with some with a few somewhat generic but relatable stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,317 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said: Economy - Dow is 43.5k, Inflation rate is at 2.9%, Unemployment rate is at 4.1% with 6.9M people employed, GDP growth is 3.1%. The US has the best economy in the world among the G6. Illegal border crossings - 44k December 2024, lowest level since July 2020. Crime - Violent crime rate continues to fall back to 2019 levels We will revisit these metrics quarterly as Trump puts his footprint on America. If you want a serious discussion Gutter, you won't use the last month of border crossing data as the metric. Rather, you will use the data from all 48 months. Also, 2.9% is almost 50% higher than the typical 2% the Fed wants before lowering interest rates. But they lowered them anyway. We'll see if they are as cooperative with Trump. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,832 Posted January 17 None of those stats will be accurate after the government "revises" them next month. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,523 Posted January 17 Only 6.9 million employed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 2,644 Posted January 17 If we simply match these numbers under Prez Bozo I’ll be ecstatic. Make it happen Orange Julius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,945 Posted January 17 America isn't a state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 The inflation rate is the key #. It’s the single most important reason that Trump won the election IMO. If it comes down during the next 4 years then his Presidency will be seen as as success pretty much no matter what else happens short of calamity or war. If it does not come down, or actually rises, then he will be viewed as a failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,985 Posted January 17 26 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: So what do you want to discuss now? Lol I think there are those who want to insist that things are just great, and refuse to accept or acknowledge the damage that has been done and the harm caused. I might note that it is this active gaslighting which was rather helpful in swaying the election away from them. So while we might want object, lets allow them room to do this, it will help in the mid terms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 412 Posted January 17 46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The inflation rate is the key #. It’s the single most important reason that Trump won the election IMO. If it comes down during the next 4 years then his Presidency will be seen as as success pretty much no matter what else happens short of calamity or war. If it does not come down, or actually rises, then he will be viewed as a failure. It's more than that. The inflation rate is not high right now. Trump has said he will lower the price of groceries and lower the cost of energy. That was a lie. He can't and won't do either. Simply lowering inflation doesn't lower the cost of groceries. Trump will blame Biden when he doesn't do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: It's more than that. The inflation rate is not high right now. Trump has said he will lower the price of groceries and lower the cost of energy. That was a lie. He can't and won't do either. Simply lowering inflation doesn't lower the cost of groceries. Trump will blame Biden when he doesn't do it. he WILL lower the cost of energy, which WILL lower the cost of everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 412 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: he WILL lower the cost of energy, which WILL lower the cost of everything Saved for posterity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,914 Posted January 17 The energy just feels so much better since Trump won. This isn't a time to be complacent though. The government wields too much power over everyone. We need the government to be accountable to us. Trump is a massive upgrade, but we need even better leaders yet. Get the pedophiles out. Integrity needs to make a comeback. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 412 Posted January 17 My takeaway is that this is NOT a failed nation that needs saving. We're doing pretty good and hopefully Dumpf doesn't fuk it all up. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,413 Posted January 17 Hopefully we see negative inflation over the next few years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 412 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said: Hopefully we see negative inflation over the next few years Negative inflation? Boyo. That means the economy is contracting. Recession. That's not what we should be hoping for Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,914 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Negative inflation? Boyo. That means the economy is contracting. Recession. That's not what we should be hoping for The system is dependent on currency inflation unfortunately. We need a system that does not rely on currency inflation. Total global debt is 300%+ of global gdp. Doesnt make any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114 Posted January 17 17 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Saved for posterity California AVG today 4.43 National AVG today 3.11 gas prices this is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 22 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: It's more than that. The inflation rate is not high right now. Trump has said he will lower the price of groceries and lower the cost of energy. That was a lie. He can't and won't do either. Simply lowering inflation doesn't lower the cost of groceries. Trump will blame Biden when he doesn't do it. To most people lowering grocery prices is lowering inflation. So I agree with you that’s what he will need to be viewed as a success. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,300 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said: Economy - Dow is 43.5k, Inflation rate is at 2.9%, Unemployment rate is at 4.1% with 161M people employed, GDP growth is 3.1%. The US has the best economy in the world among the G6. Illegal border crossings - 44k December 2024, lowest level since July 2020. Crime - Violent crime rate continues to fall back to 2019 levels We will revisit these metrics quarterly as Trump puts his footprint on America. Lol....talk about cherry picking stats. Inflation rate was 1.4 percent when Biden took over. We the proceeded to have runaway inflation where we had greater than 5 percent inflation for 24 months peaking out at 9.1 percent t at one point. Yeah, let's pretend that did not happen. Go eff yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 22 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: he WILL lower the cost of energy, which WILL lower the cost of everything I think all people of good will are rooting for this to happen. If it does I for one will congratulate President Trump and reassess my opinion of him. If it doesn’t I trust you will also reevaluate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,424 Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Negative inflation? Boyo. That means the economy is contracting. Recession. That's not what we should be hoping for Lower energy costs are bad? Do tell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,538 Posted January 17 California is burning. Violent Crime and homelessness is Rampant. Central and South American gangs have taken over cities. War in the Middle East and Ukraine. North Carolina and Maui are still disasters. Violent transgenders shooting up schools every other week. Bird Flu. Radical Islamic domestic terror attacks. Chinese spy balloons and drones have free rein. Weaponized DOJ collecting domestic political prisoners. This is all why America sent up the Trumpsignal in November for a hero to save us. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,424 Posted January 17 The country is literally on fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I think all people of good will are rooting for this to happen. If it does I for one will congratulate President Trump and reassess my opinion of him. If it doesn’t I trust you will also reevaluate? absolutely if prices stay the same I will be happy too, as long as he does the deporting of criminals (which 143 dems voted against deporting sex offenders) and stop the endless spending in Ukraine those 3 things are the top 3 on my list I will be happy if any 1 of them occur as long as their is effort on the other 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 Per my last post: as of now I do not agree with the conservative argument that increasing American energy supply (particularly oil and coal production) will result in lower prices at the pump and at the grocery store. The main reason I disagree is because energy is a global commodity and its trade is simply too large for us to affect it significantly based on our own production. However the proof is in the pudding. Trump is definitely going to go the “drill drill drill” route so we’ll see if the conservative argument is right or wrong. I certainly don’t mind being wrong about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114 Posted January 17 145 House Democrats Vote Against Bill Requiring Deportation Of Illegal Migrants Convicted Of Sex Crimes – IJR this is your democrat part Tim 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: absolutely if prices stay the same I will be happy too, as long as he does the deporting of criminals (which 143 dems voted against deporting sex offenders) and stop the endless spending in Ukraine those 3 things are the top 3 on my list I will be happy if any 1 of them occur as long as their is effort on the other 2 I’m with you on deporting violent criminals, not on deporting non-violent people. We disagree, strongly, on Ukraine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,660 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: The inflation rate is the key #. It’s the single most important reason that Trump won the election IMO. If it comes down during the next 4 years then his Presidency will be seen as as success pretty much no matter what else happens short of calamity or war. If it does not come down, or actually rises, then he will be viewed as a failure. LOL another political insight by Tim that will be wrong. Why oh why do you continue to try and make political predictions wen you are wrong almost every single time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I’m with you on deporting violent criminals, not on deporting non-violent people. We disagree, strongly, on Ukraine. why should we fund war of a non NATO country? Why is it our job? When does Ukraine send money to the US? of course when we spend so much to make Ukraine a proxy nation it makes sense to keep it that way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,538 Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, jonmx said: Lol....talk about cherry picking stats. Inflation rate was 1.4 percent when Biden took over. We the proceeded to have runaway inflation where we had greater than 5 percent inflation for 24 months peaking out at 9.1 percent t at one point. Yeah, let's pretend that did not happen. Go eff yourself. Immigration is also seasonal. More crossings in the warmer months. December stats are cherry picking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: 145 House Democrats Vote Against Bill Requiring Deportation Of Illegal Migrants Convicted Of Sex Crimes – IJR this is your democrat part Tim I am actually torn on this. Please don’t simplify an issue based on the title of the bill; there are good legitimate arguments to oppose that bill. Many of them are listed here: https://www.commondreams.org/news/violence-against-women-act-immigration Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, supermike80 said: LOL another political insight by Tim that will be wrong. Why oh why do you continue to try and make political predictions wen you are wrong almost every single time? Sometimes I get things right. Why do you think I’m wrong this time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,424 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: I am actually torn on this. Please don’t simplify an issue based on the title of the bill; there are good legitimate arguments to oppose that bill. Many of them are listed here: https://www.commondreams.org/news/violence-against-women-act-immigration Which reasons do you agree with? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: why should we fund war of a non NATO country? Why is it our job? When does Ukraine send money to the US? of course when we spend so much to make Ukraine a proxy nation it makes sense to keep it that way We’ve had this discussion/debate before. You’ve read my arguments and rejected them which is your prerogative. I’ve read your arguments and rejected them. Not sure there is much we can add at this point. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,660 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: Sometimes I get things right. Why do you think I’m wrong this time? Because you're almost always wrong when you post your "I'm smarter than all of you guys" predictions, then get them wrong over and over and over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Which reasons do you agree with? If, as argued, it actually weakens domestic victims, then that would really concern me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,424 Posted January 17 Just now, The Real timschochet said: If, as argued, it actually weakens domestic victims, then that would really concern me. I didn’t get that part. Can you explain it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,628 Posted January 17 Just now, supermike80 said: Because you're almost always wrong when you post your "I'm smarter than all of you guys" predictions, then get them wrong over and over and over. That’s not an answer. And do you really think noting that Trump’s success or failure is tied to inflation is a “I’m smarter than you” comment? It seems pretty obvious, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
