Official Donald J. Trump 2025 Inauguration Thread

[jonmx 2,273]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because we’ve had this argument a million times. I disagree with you. You’re wrong, IMO. What’s the point of discussing it further? 

Also the pride you take in never suggesting people should ignore legislation is really dumb. If a law seems immoral to me I’m not gonna obey if possible. I don’t have any current examples, but 60 years ago I would have fled to Canada to avoid the Vietnam War. 

 

The same ilk who started Vietnam are still running things.   Too bad you don't see it. Washington DC needs a major cleaning and Trump is getting out to a very good start. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because we’ve had this argument a million times. I disagree with you. You’re wrong, IMO. What’s the point of discussing it further? 

Also the pride you take in never suggesting people should ignore legislation is really dumb. If a law seems immoral to me I’m not gonna obey if possible. I don’t have any current examples, but 60 years ago I would have fled to Canada to avoid the Vietnam War. 

Our murder and rape laws seem immoral.  Guess that makes them okay to break?  

By the way, it's not too late.  Go ahead and move to Canada.

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

Just now, jonmx said:

 

The same ilk who started Vietnam are still running things.   Too bad you don't see it. Washington DC needs a major cleaning and Trump is getting out to a very good start. 

If Trump avoids all new wars during his term I will certainly applaud him for that. But declaring the Mexican cartels as terrorists and pledging to take back the Panama Canal seem inconsistent with that goal. 

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

1 minute ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Our murder and rape laws seem immoral.  Guess that makes them okay to break?  

By the way, it's not too late.  Go ahead and move to Canada.

How are our murder and rape laws immoral? 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

How are our murder and rape laws immoral? 

Liberals let it happen in their cities. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because we’ve had this argument a million times. I disagree with you. You’re wrong, IMO. What’s the point of discussing it further? 

Also the pride you take in never suggesting people should ignore legislation is really dumb. If a law seems immoral to me I’m not gonna obey if possible. I don’t have any current examples, but 60 years ago I would have fled to Canada to avoid the Vietnam War. 

Facts don't agree with Tim's opinion so he takes his ball and goes home. Manchild.  

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3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Facts don't agree with Tim's opinion so he takes his ball and goes home. Manchild.  

lol you wouldn’t know a fact if it hit Trump’s ass with your head still deep inside. 

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58 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well I don’t believe in restricting either, so no. 

Ok, I'm curious, what actual "Democrat" agenda's do you actually agree with then?  One that isn't a far left like Climate Change, Government intervened "Misinformation", etc (ones previously mentioned).

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

lol you wouldn’t know a fact if it hit Trump’s ass with your head still deep inside. 

Your bagina is sore after the very first day.  

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

lol you wouldn’t know a fact if it hit Trump’s ass with your head still deep inside. 

This guy has been slowly losing it lately. He will definitely implode soon. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

lol you wouldn’t know a fact if it hit Trump’s ass with your head still deep inside. 

Can you believe what's coming out on Biden now? His people admitting that they were told to downplay his mental incapability for over 2 years. Someone has some explaining to do. 

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47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because we’ve had this argument a million times. I disagree with you. You’re wrong, IMO. What’s the point of discussing it further? 

Also the pride you take in never suggesting people should ignore legislation is really dumb. If a law seems immoral to me I’m not gonna obey if possible. I don’t have any current examples, but 60 years ago I would have fled to Canada to avoid the Vietnam War. 

Except I'm not wrong.  Laws are what makes us a civilized society.  Your argument that you can just pick and choose which ones to follow just shows you're not a serious poster.

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Tim lives according to the imaginary code in his head.  

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

45 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ok, I'm curious, what actual "Democrat" agenda's do you actually agree with then?  One that isn't a far left like Climate Change, Government intervened "Misinformation", etc (ones previously mentioned).

The most important reason I voted for Kamala Harris, above all others, is her support for Ukraine, the NATO Alliance, and adherence to the U.S. role as leader of the free world in the global structure we established after World War II. I do not believe in Trump’s brand of America First isolationism, and his transactional way of treating our allies. 

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

Except I'm not wrong.  Laws are what makes us a civilized society.  Your argument that you can just pick and choose which ones to follow just shows you're not a serious poster.

You’re correct that laws are what makes us a civilized society. You’re also correct that you can’t just pick and choose. But what if a law is truly immoral to you? 
 

William Lloyd Garrison, the famous abolitionist, was faced with this question following the Dred Scott decision and he answered it by setting fire to a copy of the Constitution, an act of civil disobedience. Such acts are part of our American heritage, dating back to the Boston Tea Party. And no I am not arguing that there are any existing current laws that are so immoral that they demand disobedience. But it could happen. Of course my Anne Frank analogy earlier was way over the top, deliberately so. Still, if somebody from ICE had reason to come to me and ask me to name people that I know who are undocumented, and where they currently live, I wouldn’t do it. Even under the threat of arrest I wouldn’t do it. 

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

33 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The most important reason I voted for Kamala Harris, above all others, is her support for Ukraine, the NATO Alliance, and adherence to the U.S. role as leader of the free world in the global structure we established after World War II. I do not believe in Trump’s brand of America First isolationism, and his transactional way of treating our allies. 

I also want to add to this that as of last night a new litmus test: any politician who supported Trump’s commutation of the Jan 6 thugs will NEVER get my vote. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I also want to add tohthis that as of last night a new litmus test: any politician who supported Trump’s commutation of the Jan 6 thugs will NEVER get my vote. 

shocking.

I mean, NOBODY would have guessed that you would choose voting liberal. 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I also want to add to this that as of last night a new litmus test: any politician who supported Trump’s commutation of the Jan 6 thugs will NEVER get my vote. 

Nobody cares what you think or how you vote.   HTH.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,355]

Tim voted for Newsome. 

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

23 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Nobody cares what you think or how you vote.   HTH.  

Well except for the guy who asked me and who I was responding to. Damn what an idiot you are. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The most important reason I voted for Kamala Harris, above all others, is her support for Ukraine, the NATO Alliance, and adherence to the U.S. role as leader of the free world in the global structure we established after World War II. I do not believe in Trump’s brand of America First isolationism, and his transactional way of treating our allies. 

I asked for non-far left ideologies.  Supporting Ukraine, the way it's being done, is nothing more than money laundering by Biden for helping his son.  We know this because Biden pardoned Hunter for things that no one ever charged him for.  Trump isn't opposed to NATO, he's opposed to being a part of NATO as the only country paying their fair share.  Trump isn't for America First "isolationism".  He's for everyone working on an even playing field.  He's not treating our allies that way, they're treating us that way.  They're treating us like we're the rich parent and they're the entitled kid.  You're seeing from the entitled kid perspective.  You want to go out and do what ever you want because mom and dad will pay for it... then throw a tantrum when they say "No, go get a job and buy it yourself".

These things that you laid out are not "Democratic" stances... they're far left stances.  You want the government to do everything for everyone else because you only have to foot a small portion of the bill.

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20 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

For example on woke: yesterday Trump signed an executive order declaring two genders only, male and female. I’ve already read that the effect of this could prevent transgender Americans traveling outside the USA from returning; they may be detained at airports, etc. 

Now I’ve never really been into the whole “they/them” thing; it seems silly to me. I don’t personally know any transgender people. I’ve run into a few at times, but never really talked to one. I think it’s pretty weird. But the libertarian in me asks: “why is this the government’s business? Why is it Trump’s business?” If you guys want to restrict children under 18 from having operations I get that. I might want to leave it up to the parents but I get that society should try to protect children. If you guys want to make restrictions on girls athletics with regard to this issue I get that as well, and wouldn’t be opposed. But otherwise leave these folks the fock alone!! 

Is that woke? Seems more like decency to me. 

 

I am all for leaving them alone except when bio-men want to compete against bio-women not matter how small the % is.

Most of the trans have tough lives and serious self-esteem and mental issues to begin with so their lives are tough enough.

 

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

16 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I asked for non-far left ideologies.  Supporting Ukraine, the way it's being done, is nothing more than money laundering by Biden for helping his son.  We know this because Biden pardoned Hunter for things that no one ever charged him for.  Trump isn't opposed to NATO, he's opposed to being a part of NATO as the only country paying their fair share.  Trump isn't for America First "isolationism".  He's for everyone working on an even playing field.  He's not treating our allies that way, they're treating us that way.  They're treating us like we're the rich parent and they're the entitled kid.  You're seeing from the entitled kid perspective.  You want to go out and do what ever you want because mom and dad will pay for it... then throw a tantrum when they say "No, go get a job and buy it yourself".

These things that you laid out are not "Democratic" stances... they're far left stances.  You want the government to do everything for everyone else because you only have to foot a small portion of the bill.

Well I think you’re wrong. Trump is against NATO. He is an isolationist. And my views on this aren’t far left, they’re mainstream establishment (or used to be anyhow.) 

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18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re correct that laws are what makes us a civilized society. You’re also correct that you can’t just pick and choose. But what if a law is truly immoral to you? 
 

William Lloyd Garrison, the famous abolitionist, was faced with this question following the Dred Scott decision and he answered it by setting fire to a copy of the Constitution, an act of civil disobedience. Such acts are part of our American heritage, dating back to the Boston Tea Party. And no I am not arguing that there are any existing current laws that are so immoral that they demand disobedience. But it could happen. Of course my Anne Frank analogy earlier was way over the top, deliberately so. Still, if somebody from ICE had reason to come to me and ask me to name people that I know who are undocumented, and where they currently live, I wouldn’t do it. Even under the threat of arrest I wouldn’t do it. 

Let's call ICE and see what you would really do

[The Real timschochet 5,494]

2 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Let's call ICE and see what you would really do

Go ahead. Only scum would actually turn people in. Sounds like you would though. 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Go ahead. Only scum would actually turn people in. Sounds like you would though. 

I would consider it patriotic 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

 (or used to be anyhow.) 

Thus proving that it's the left, as a party, moving left and not the right moving right.  I await the days where Bill Clinton is deemed "Conservative".  LOL  Under his presidency, the corporate elitists became more monopolized (Telecommunications ACT), and black people were imprisoned for smoking pot (thanks Joe Biden).  He wanted to build a barrier along the border (odd that Obama and Hillary wanted to do the same).  

 

Agree to disagree on your prior sentence.

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29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Go ahead. Only scum would actually turn people in. Sounds like you would though. 

Wow you really got me their with scum.  

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23 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I would consider it patriotic 

Well the Germans must have thought so. 

[seafoam1 2,587]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well the Germans must have thought so. 

You liberals are more nazi than anyone else in the world right now in time. You lost. Now grow up and try your best to be a normal human being. I doubt you are up to it. 

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You liberals are more nazi than anyone else in the world right now in time. You lost. Now grow up and try your best to be a normal human being. I doubt you are up to it. 

Thanks for the advice. I’m trying to be a decent human being. That’s why I’m opposed to informing on other people. 

Today Trump’s new Justice Department announced that it is seeking ways to prosecute officials from “Sanctuary Cities” who won’t cooperate with their deportation plans. I hope the officials resist. That is decency in my book. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m trying to be a decent human being

You can't be a Nazi and a decent Human Being. Pick one 

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks for the advice. I’m trying to be a decent human being. That’s why I’m opposed to informing on other people. 

Today Trump’s new Justice Department announced that it is seeking ways to prosecute officials from “Sanctuary Cities” who won’t cooperate with their deportation plans. I hope the officials resist. That is decency in my book. 

As he should. The country voted him in for things like this. He needs to follow up on his promises that I helped to vote him in to do. That is how this works. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,355]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks for the advice. I’m trying to be a decent human being. That’s why I’m opposed to informing on other people. 

Today Trump’s new Justice Department announced that it is seeking ways to prosecute officials from “Sanctuary Cities” who won’t cooperate with their deportation plans. I hope the officials resist. That is decency in my book. 

Even though sanctuary policies lead to violent criminals being released and then they go on to commit violent crimes? You’re good with that?

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks for the advice. I’m trying to be a decent human being. That’s why I’m opposed to informing on other people. 

Today Trump’s new Justice Department announced that it is seeking ways to prosecute officials from “Sanctuary Cities” who won’t cooperate with their deportation plans. I hope the officials resist. That is decency in my book. 

Or aiding and abetting criminals.  Definitions can be tricky.

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19 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Or aiding and abetting criminals.  Definitions can be tricky.

I’m good with mine. 

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23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Even though sanctuary policies lead to violent criminals being released and then they go on to commit violent crimes? You’re good with that?

Blackstone’s ratio: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_ratio#:~:text=Historic expressions of the principle,-The immediate precursors&text=Some 300 years before Fortescue,single innocent one to death."

Better that ten guilty men are acquitted than one innocent man go to prison. 

However in this case the ratio is the opposite and more, because the vast majority of those being apprehended are not violent criminals. Which is why I have always supported Sanctuary Cities. 

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Blackstone’s ratio: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_ratio#:~:text=Historic expressions of the principle,-The immediate precursors&text=Some 300 years before Fortescue,single innocent one to death."

Better that ten guilty men are acquitted than one innocent man go to prison. 

However in this case the ratio is the opposite and more, because the vast majority of those being apprehended are not violent criminals. Which is why I have always supported Sanctuary Cities. 

Bet you would feel different if one of your loved ones were raped and murdered like Laken Riley, whose murderer was cut loose after being arrested in a sanctuary city. Say her name.  

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Bet you would feel different if one of your loved ones were raped and murdered like Laken Riley, whose murderer was cut loose after being arrested in a sanctuary city. Say her name.  

Laken Riley. 
 

And I might feel different if that were the case. I’d like to think that no matter what happened to me and my loved ones I’d be able to keep my logic and not blame a group for the actions of an individual. But who knows? Bigotry and snap judgments are easy. Decency and nuanced thinking is hard. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Laken Riley. 
 

And I might feel different if that were the case. I’d like to think that no matter what happened to me and my loved ones I’d be able to keep my logic and not blame a group for the actions of an individual. But who knows? Bigotry and snap judgments are easy. Decency and nuanced thinking is hard. 

You think the brunt of the blame is going towards the migrants.  It’s not. But it’s the lie you tell yourself to justify your horrible selfish ideas that cause so much harm to others.