Elon musk access to the treasury

[Mike Honcho 4,854]

2 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

60 year old men who failed at everything in life looking for an "alpha" to "win" for them so they can feel more masculine 

If they think Trump is an "alpha", I think they failed at one more thing. 

[TrailGuy 412]

6 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

In your feeble mind, how much of the 6.75 trillion in Federal spending last year was fraud, abuse and wasteful spending? Give me your best estimate in a round number percentage. 

Irrelevant.  Even if it's 50%, why would we have a south african CCP Compromised non employee secretly  and forcifully gaining access to the data, stealing the data and updating code within the app with zero clearance or authorization to do so except for the felon president agreeing to it?  And then have said foreigner decide what is fraudulent and what is not with complete disregard to Congress and the Constitution?  Why would anyone want one man to make the decision?

[Dizkneelande 1,036]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

Irrelevant.  Even if it's 50%, why would we have a south african CCP Compromised non employee secretly  and forcifully gaining access to the data, stealing the data and updating code within the app with zero clearance or authorization to do so except for the felon president agreeing to it?  And then have said foreigner decide what is fraudulent and what is not with complete disregard to Congress and the Constitution?  Why would anyone want one man to make the decision?

These are executive branch functions and are under the purview of the President. Cry harder. 

[TrailGuy 412]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

These are executive branch functions and are under the purview of the President. Cry harder. 

Wrong.  The executive branch does not control spending.  That is the job of the legislative branch.

You failed 7th grade social science.

[Dizkneelande 1,036]

5 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Wrong.  The executive branch does not control spending.  That is the job of the legislative branch.

You failed 7th grade social science.

. You’re too stupid to even reply to because Trump can drastically curtail USAID with executive actions alone dope. Trump can move their functions under the State Dept if he wishes. It’s not against the law, it’s not unconstitutional, and doesn’t require Congressional approval. Like I said, cry harder. 

[The Girlfriend 92]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

. You’re too stupid to even reply to because Trump can drastically curtail USAID with executive actions alone dope. Trump can move their functions under the State Dept if he wishes. It’s not against the law, it’s not unconstitutional, and doesn’t require Congressional approval. Like I said, cry harder. 

USAID was established by statute as its own agency via Congress in 1998. Trump can not legally override that.

[TrailGuy 412]

9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

. You’re too stupid to even reply to because Trump can drastically curtail USAID with executive actions alone dope. Trump can move their functions under the State Dept if he wishes. It’s not against the law, it’s not unconstitutional, and doesn’t require Congressional approval. Like I said, cry harder. 

Maybe, but he can't shut the agency down or stop spending the money.  You're defending an unelected foreign national with no security clearance doing this all.  You hate America.

[Dizkneelande 1,036]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

Maybe, but he can't shut the agency down or stop spending the money.  You're defending an unelected foreign national with no security clearance doing this all.  You hate America.

Elon figured out that if you control OPM and the Treasury payment system, you can zap any government program not explicitly authorized by statute and no one can do anything about it. 

If there’s an explicit statutory authorization for an outlay to a third party, they can go to court and get their money

USAID is funded by discretionary spending so Congress simply has to authorize the budgets and Musk can’t do anything. Of course, they’d have to go on the record.

Also, Congress can appropriate all the money it wants, but it can’t force the President to spend a dime.

Cry harder 

[TrailGuy 412]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

Elon figured out that if you control OPM and the Treasury payment system, you can zap any government program not explicitly authorized by statute and no one can do anything about it. 

If there’s an explicit statutory authorization for an outlay to a third party, they can go to court and get their money

USAID is funded by discretionary spending so Congress simply has to authorize the budgets and Musk can’t do anything. Of course, they’d have to go on the record.

Also, Congress can appropriate all the money it wants, but it can’t force the President to spend a dime.

Cry harder 

Why do you keep telling me to cry harder boyo?  You don't like the rule of law?  You enjoy watching your data being stolen?  You enjoy watching the consolidation of power under a dictator?

What is wrong with you?  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

US AID was giving money to Bill Kristols think tank.  What was international about that? 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,538]

Musk and DOGE should be presented the highest level civilian award we have. 

[The Girlfriend 92]

MAGA hates the constitution, now. Congrats, asshats- you’ve hit a new low.

[jbycho 318]

Just now, The Girlfriend said:

MAGA hates the constitution, now. Congrats, asshats- you’ve hit a new low.

Ok Rusty. 

[Fnord 1,802]

27 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Musk and DOGE should be presented the highest level civilian award we have. 

NEIN! It'll cost too much to make the medals. Elon gonna shut that shlt down! Deep cuts means no recognition! Heil!

[Dizkneelande 1,036]

45 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Why do you keep telling me to cry harder boyo?  You don't like the rule of law?  You enjoy watching your data being stolen?  You enjoy watching the consolidation of power under a dictator?

What is wrong with you?  

I tell you to cry harder because you sound like a cackling b!tch. 

[Fnord 1,802]

53 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Also, Congress can appropriate all the money it wants, but it can’t force the President to spend a dime.

This is not true.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Imagine resisting what is being exposed here? Trump! Musk! 

[The Girlfriend 92]

Imaging cheering for bypassing the Constitution and the rule of law and the consolidation of power under the Executive branch. 

Uneducated dolts!

[TrailGuy 412]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Imagine resisting what is being exposed here? Trump! Musk! 

Imagine breaking the US constitution and laws and thinking you are in the right.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,538]

11 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Imagine breaking the US constitution and laws and thinking you are in the right.

Trail Guy being pro corruption because of OMB.  SAD that we have come to this, but I love this for you boyo.  

[TrailGuy 412]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Trail Guy being pro corruption because of OMB.  SAD that we have come to this, but I love this for you boyo.  

You're anti-corruption?   Breaking the law and burning the constitution to eliminate corruption.  

[HellToupee 1,370]

49 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Trail Guy being pro corruption because of OMB.  SAD that we have come to this, but I love this for you boyo.  

It’s incredible the way some of these life losers think. Everything runs off OMB

[Dizkneelande 1,036]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

This is not true.

Sure. Let Congress go on record appropriating funds for rainbow flag wavers in front of the Vatican. Good luck with that. 

[Fnord 1,802]

13 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Sure. Let Congress go on record appropriating funds for rainbow flag wavers in front of the Vatican. Good luck with that. 

Wut?

I am pointing out that POTUS does not have unilateral authority to halt congressionally authorized expenditures. The preoccupation with rainbows in this place from the MAGAmafia is something else.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,538]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Wut?

I am pointing out that POTUS does not have unilateral authority to halt congressionally authorized expenditures. The preoccupation with rainbows in this place from the MAGAmafia is something else.

Sure he does.  National emergency.  
 

Appropriated funds does not mean you are required to spend.  

[nobody 2,500]

18 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Some. Fair enough. But much less than you think because I trust him. Musk has already put the good of humanity ahead of his personal financial interest by overpaying steeply for Twitter.  Time after time he's shown that his heart is in the right place. Now he's donating his time and genius to giving the federal government the scrubbing it has long needed. 

I just say thank you and get out of the way. I don't rightly know how the sausage is being made but I trust the chef. I would prefer to entrust the oversight of any agency that deals with Musk personally to be reviewed by Vivek Ramaswamy instead but he got squeezed out early.

He's promised to find lots of money to be saved. I hope so. We'll see. I trust that we'll be better on the back end of this than we went going in.

We wanted the swamp drained in Trump's first term, it didn't happen and they proved entrenched with their own agenda. Eighty years of sclerotic bureaucracy has to be unclogged. Sh*ts not going to fix itself.

He didn't willingly overpay for twitter.  He made an offer he tried to back out of but courts ruled was binding. 

Then he flooded the market with TSLA stock to recoup his twitter investment at the cost of TSLA shareholders.  

Then he used the Twitter platform to help get Trump elected and gain power for himself in the process.

[Fnord 1,802]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Sure he does.  National emergency.  
 

Appropriated funds does not mean you are required to spend.  

LOL. We've been in a declared national emergency for decades. Just another excuse to consolidate power under the executive branch. While you're right in your second paragraph, POTUS does not have legal authority to hold up funds allocated by Congress.

[WhiteWonder 2,565]

On 2/1/2025 at 9:56 PM, TrailGuy said:

An unelected billionaire, with no actual Congressional authority or govt experience, has access to Treasury payment systems and sensitive information about millions of Americans who receive Social Security checks, tax refunds, and other payments.

What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/us/politics/elon-musk-doge-federal-payments-system.html

considering how corrupt the treasury dept. is,   what's the big deal?  It could be a good thing that someone who is not a career politician is pulling back the curtains a bit. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,538]

11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

LOL. We've been in a declared national emergency for decades. Just another excuse to consolidate power under the executive branch. While you're right in your second paragraph, POTUS does not have legal authority to hold up funds allocated by Congress.

Depends where the cash that goes with the appropriation comes from. A chief executive in Government has many tricks up his sleeve to turn off that faucet.  Appropriation with no cash is worthless.   

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

I’m certainly not a fan of either Trump or Musk, but I haven’t been offered a compelling reason as to why I should care about this. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

I picture Musk sitting with a hairless cat in his lap.  

[TrailGuy 412]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m certainly not a fan of either Trump or Musk, but I haven’t been offered a compelling reason as to why I should care about this. 

Elon Musk & his team of hackers have hijacked your personal information. Musk - who no one elected - is going to decide what he thinks should be cut from the U.S. government. We are all being held hostage by a rogue government who couldn’t care less about anyone but their own billionaire interests.

Oh and already updated the code in the system to do who knows what? Pay himself?  Pay china?  No one knows.

Still don't care?

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Elon Musk & his team of hackers have hijacked your personal information. Musk - who no one elected - is going to decide what he thinks should be cut from the U.S. government. We are all being held hostage by a rogue government who couldn’t care less about anyone but their own billionaire interests.

Oh and already updated the code in the system to do who knows what? Pay himself?  Pay china?  No one knows.

Still don't care?

Not really. 
I feel the same way that I feel about all of Trump’s other underlings- Trump is the worst. Whoever he has do stuff for him couldn’t possibly be as bad as Trump himself. It’s already as bad as it’s going to get. 

[TrailGuy 412]

Musk is suspending x accounts that post the names of his minions that are stealing billions.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Ready for a laugh? The Biden administration gave Musk Top Secret Security Clearance in 2022.  A hahahaha! 

[CaptainObvious1 198]

13 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Musk is suspending x accounts that post the names of his minions that are stealing billions.

He owns it he can do whatever he wants.  That was the lib stance for 4 years.  Deal with it.