Trump administration drafting executive order to initiate Department of Education’s elimination

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

Speak for yourself. You might not care who he blamed it on. I’m sure many voters found that unbelievably trashy. I also suspect a lot of his supporters signed up for lower inflation and are surprised to see Elon in the Treasury and executive orders to end the DOE. 

And eggs still haven’t gone down.  

Do you know anyone that expected inflation and grocery prices to drop instantly?  Let's use some common sense here.

[Red White and Blue 2]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you know anyone that expected inflation and grocery prices to drop instantly?  Let's use some common sense here.

Trump did. “Immediately, Day One.”  

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

Trump did. “Immediately, Day One.”  

I knew it would take longer than a couple months.  It doesn't matter much to me since prices were already high and were not going to get lower with the democrats.

[Red White and Blue 2]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I knew it would take longer than a couple months.  It doesn't matter much to me since prices were already high and were not going to get lower with the democrats.

Well, you must be exceptionally bright! I imagine some folks who voted for Trump for lower prices are a little unhappy to learn not only will they not go down “Day 1,” they’re quite likely to go up in the short term due to tariffs.

Sorry grandma!   

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

Just now, Red White and Blue said:

Well, you must be exceptionally bright! I imagine some folks who voted for Trump for lower prices are a little unhappy to learn not only will they not go down “Day 1,” they’re quite likely to go up in the short term due to tariffs.

Sorry grandma!   

Not sure how egg prices can go down right now with all the bird flu crap.

[Red White and Blue 2]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Not sure how egg prices can go down right now with all the bird flu crap.

How about all the other consumer goods that aren’t any cheaper?

[Mike Honcho 4,861]

12 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you know anyone that expected inflation and grocery prices to drop instantly?  Let's use some common sense here.

Probably the same people who think that Trump really cares about how high grocery prices affect them.

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

Just now, Red White and Blue said:

How about all the other consumer goods that aren’t any cheaper?

Not much has changed.  Just as bad as they were with Biden.  My favorite thing being done is the cutbacks in our government.  LOVE IT.

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Probably the same people who think that Trump really cares about how high grocery prices affect them.

I've never thought Trump cared about any of us.  Grocery prices were not at the top of my list when I voted for him.

[The Real timschochet 5,635]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you know anyone that expected inflation and grocery prices to drop instantly?  Let's use some common sense here.

Your position isn’t unreasonable. The problem is that Trump is pursuing policies that are almost guaranteed to make prices higher, not lower. 

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3 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

How about all the other consumer goods that aren’t any cheaper?

Rusty is very concerned. 

[Red White and Blue 2]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not much has changed. 

Which is why I said we’ll see a lot of buyer’s remorse.

[Red White and Blue 2]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Rusty is very concerned. 

Okay Peefoam.

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

The problem with the education system, is at the local level.  Getting rid of the DOE is a good idea in the sense that it doesn't help or hurt, as an agency... it just wastes money.  Every school (district), should understand the common sense of what should be taught in schools.  Here's the actual problem.  Misappropriation of funds.  There are way too many local administrators.  Towns all pay for their local school's and administrators.  Every school district in this country (and this is common sense if you've paid attention to anything local), has twice as many (if not more), administrators, than they need.  For example... my old high school HAD 1 principal and 1 vice principal for 750 kids.  Today, that same high school has 600 kids, 2 principals and 4 vice principals.  School administrators will fall all over themselves as to why those positions are needed.  Teachers, in general conversation will even admit, they're not needed.  Everyone else knows, they're not needed.  Well, why are they there?  Because local school boards, the local BOE, and national DOE give you long winded b.s. reasons why they're needed, so smaller local governments sign off on them... then just raise taxes to cover the cost.  When they can't, they cut departments and activities at the kids expense, to give the administrators and teachers more money.

Discussable solutions...

1. Dump the waste of money going to the DOW.  Leave that money in the tax payers paycheck.  Why?  The money can be re-appropriated locally.
2. Cut all local administration positions in half.  Why?  There are too many now, and the same amount of work, if not less, is being done, at a higher cost than needed.  At worst, lower paid secretary's could handle more work... sure, they can have raises as the money saved would be significant.  It's a lot cheaper to give a secretary a $2/hr raise or higher a new one at $45k than pay an administrator 6 figures.
3. Combine teacher's and administrator's union into one union total (this might be local... that I don't know).  Ever talk to a teacher?  Most of the time, their complaints are about the administrators.  Ever talk to an administrator?  Most of the time, their complaints are about the teachers.  Force them to work together and come up with a common plan and goal and have one contract, one discussion... it saves time and money at the local level.
4. The above will yield savings to the tax payers to which can be used to ensure that no programs for kids need to be cut and more programs could be added.  Parents don't mind paying for education if the results yield value.  If taxes go up, but programs get cut and scores go down and the net result is the people in charge make more money, that's a problem.
5. Remove government ideologies and just teach.  Religion nor social programs/ideologies belong in the classroom.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I've never thought Trump cared about any of us.  Grocery prices were not at the top of my list when I voted for him.

Generally, that would be a disqualify characteristic for a candidate. 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your position isn’t unreasonable. The problem is that Trump is pursuing policies that are almost guaranteed to make prices higher, not lower. 

 

2 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Which is why I said we’ll see a lot of buyer’s remorse.

Like I said, grocery prices were not my main concern.  What I don't understand is this, if prices are such a huge concern for you and others, why vote democrat?

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Generally, that would be a disqualify characteristic for a candidate. 

That's one of the many reasons I didn't vote for him is the past.  Voting democrat didn't make me happy and voting 3rd party did nothing.  Trump was the only option I had.

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

35 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No one cares about who he blamed the helicopter crash.  I'm not sure how I feel about the treasury yet.  We all knew about getting rid of the DOE.

You're debating with another Gutterboy or Rusty alias that will continually argue with you and tell you you're wrong because OMB and that's the only answer to them.

[Red White and Blue 2]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Like I said, grocery prices were not my main concern.  What I don't understand is this, if prices are such a huge concern for you and others, why vote democrat?

I never said I did vote Democrat. I said we’re going to see buyer’s remorse among voters who backed Trump because of inflation. Maybe you don’t care about costs but I imagine a lot of voters do. Otherwise Trump wouldn’t have spent so much time complaining about costs and promising to bring them down Day 1.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Generally, that would be a disqualify characteristic for a candidate. 

I don't think he does either, but if there's a gauge on who cares more than the other.... Trump definitely cares more than the dopes he's run against in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

2 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

I never said I did vote Democrat. I said we’re going to see buyer’s remorse among voters who backed Trump because of inflation. Maybe you don’t care about costs but I imagine a lot of voters do. Otherwise Trump wouldn’t have spent so much time complaining about costs and promising to bring them down Day 1.

 

How can you have buyers remorse when there was no other option?  Who was going to lower prices?

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7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The problem with the education system, is at the local level.  Getting rid of the DOE is a good idea in the sense that it doesn't help or hurt, as an agency... it just wastes money.  Every school (district), should understand the common sense of what should be taught in schools.  Here's the actual problem.  Misappropriation of funds.  There are way too many local administrators.  Towns all pay for their local school's and administrators.  Every school district in this country (and this is common sense if you've paid attention to anything local), has twice as many (if not more), administrators, than they need.  For example... my old high school HAD 1 principal and 1 vice principal for 750 kids.  Today, that same high school has 600 kids, 2 principals and 4 vice principals.  School administrators will fall all over themselves as to why those positions are needed.  Teachers, in general conversation will even admit, they're not needed.  Everyone else knows, they're not needed.  Well, why are they there?  Because local school boards, the local BOE, and national DOE give you long winded b.s. reasons why they're needed, so smaller local governments sign off on them... then just raise taxes to cover the cost.  When they can't, they cut departments and activities at the kids expense, to give the administrators and teachers more money.

Discussable solutions...

1. Dump the waste of money going to the DOW.  Leave that money in the tax payers paycheck.  Why?  The money can be re-appropriated locally.
2. Cut all local administration positions in half.  Why?  There are too many now, and the same amount of work, if not less, is being done, at a higher cost than needed.  At worst, lower paid secretary's could handle more work... sure, they can have raises as the money saved would be significant.  It's a lot cheaper to give a secretary a $2/hr raise or higher a new one at $45k than pay an administrator 6 figures.
3. Combine teacher's and administrator's union into one union total (this might be local... that I don't know).  Ever talk to a teacher?  Most of the time, their complaints are about the administrators.  Ever talk to an administrator?  Most of the time, their complaints are about the teachers.  Force them to work together and come up with a common plan and goal and have one contract, one discussion... it saves time and money at the local level.
4. The above will yield savings to the tax payers to which can be used to ensure that no programs for kids need to be cut and more programs could be added.  Parents don't mind paying for education if the results yield value.  If taxes go up, but programs get cut and scores go down and the net result is the people in charge make more money, that's a problem.
5. Remove government ideologies and just teach.  Religion nor social programs/ideologies belong in the classroom.

You make some good points, though I think the bolded is a way too simplistic outlook. I won't argue that cutting administrators is a good starting point, but wonder if unilaterally removing half of them is a good idea. I also wonder about whether very small school districts lacking a decent tax base would suffer even more without a dedicated federal program to keep them afloat, though that could be separate from the DOE.

Ultimately, we have to figure out a way to get more bang for our educational bucks. School vouchers allowing taxpayers to subsidize well-off individuals sending their kids to private schools is not the answer.

[Red White and Blue 2]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How can you have buyers remorse when there was no other option?  Who was going to lower prices?

No one was going to lower prices. As Trump voters will learn. 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

No one was going to lower prices. As Trump voters will learn. 

So what is there to feel remorse for?

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I am no fan of the Dept of Education, which has become an oxymoron.

I do believe that results matter, and the ongoing decrease in overall student performance cannot be overlooked; nor can the deplorable performance among minority communities, well, not Asians of course.

I think teachers mostly work pretty hard, and do their best.

I think the problem is too many of the kids are just sh!t.......utter and absolute sh!t.    They have sh!tty parents and the kids become worthless as a result.   You cannot simply send your kid off to school and expect them to achieve success, it requires the application of accountability at home for both behavior AND schoolwork.

IMHO, its the parents that need to be fixed/

[Red White and Blue 2]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

So what is there to feel remorse for?

If you voted for Trump because inflation is high and thought he’d bring it down, and now you learn prices might actually go up in the short term. Get it now?

[Fnord 1,814]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I am no fan of the Dept of Education, which has become an oxymoron.

I do believe that results matter, and the ongoing decrease in overall student performance cannot be overlooked; nor can the deplorable performance among minority communities, well, not Asians of course.

I think teachers mostly work pretty hard, and do their best.

I think the problem is too many of the kids are just sh!t.......utter and absolute sh!t.    They have sh!tty parents and the kids become worthless as a result.   You cannot simply send your kid off to school and expect them to achieve success, it requires the application of accountability at home for both behavior AND schoolwork.

IMHO, its the parents that need to be fixed/

Fukkin A! We agree!

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

If you voted for Trump because inflation is high and thought he’d bring it down, and now you learn prices might actually go up in the short term. Get it now?

It doesn't make sense to me.  Remorse means to feel regret or guilt.  Usually a person only feels that way when they had another option.  If there was no better option, why regret it?

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am no fan of the Dept of Education, which has become an oxymoron.

I do believe that results matter, and the ongoing decrease in overall student performance cannot be overlooked; nor can the deplorable performance among minority communities, well, not Asians of course.

I think teachers mostly work pretty hard, and do their best.

I think the problem is too many of the kids are just sh!t.......utter and absolute sh!t.    They have sh!tty parents and the kids become worthless as a result.   You cannot simply send your kid off to school and expect them to achieve success, it requires the application of accountability at home for both behavior AND schoolwork.

IMHO, its the parents that need to be fixed/

I would like students to be held accountable at school again.  If parents are not willing to hold their children accountable then the schools should be able to.

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15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How can you have buyers remorse when there was no other option?  Who was going to lower prices?

I agree, no one is the answer , I agree with you.  

 

[weepaws 3,062]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am no fan of the Dept of Education, which has become an oxymoron.

I do believe that results matter, and the ongoing decrease in overall student performance cannot be overlooked; nor can the deplorable performance among minority communities, well, not Asians of course.

I think teachers mostly work pretty hard, and do their best.

I think the problem is too many of the kids are just sh!t.......utter and absolute sh!t.    They have sh!tty parents and the kids become worthless as a result.   You cannot simply send your kid off to school and expect them to achieve success, it requires the application of accountability at home for both behavior AND schoolwork.

IMHO, its the parents that need to be fixed/

Winner, I’ve said it many many times, I blame the parents.   

[Red White and Blue 2]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It doesn't make sense to me.  Remorse means to feel regret or guilt.  Usually a person only feels that way when they had another option.  If there was no better option, why regret it?

There’s always another option, whether that’s voting for the other party or 3rd party or staying home. 

Would you rather I said I imagine a lot of Trump voters will feel deceived? 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

There’s always another option, whether that’s voting for the other party or 3rd party or staying home. 

Would you rather I said I imagine a lot of Trump voters will feel deceived? 

Those voting options were not acceptable for a lot of people.

Deceived makes more sense than remorse.

[The Real timschochet 5,635]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Like I said, grocery prices were not my main concern.  What I don't understand is this, if prices are such a huge concern for you and others, why vote democrat?

I can’t speak for anyone else but for me that’s an easy answer: because I believe the two most important keys to bringing prices down are global stability and free trade, and currently the Democratic Party is much more about pursuing these two items than the Republican Party. It didn’t used to be that way but it’s that way now. 
 

Combine these two items to the fact that undocumented immigrants to this country also help keep prices low, and currently the Republicans are all about trying to get rid of undocumented immigrants, then it’s a pretty easy choice as to whom I prefer on this issue. 

[Red White and Blue 2]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Those voting options were not acceptable for a lot of people.

Deceived makes more sense than remorse.

Fair enough. I imagine a lot of Trump voters will feel deceived when they learn he had no intention of bringing prices down. 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

Another reason I voted for Trump is because he wants to get rid of income tax.  I like the idea of that.

[Cdub100 3,734]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'm in a writer's circle; in fact we are meeting in 90 minutes.  We are currently working on communicating the senses; this is best done by showing vs. telling.  Also, it is best to avoid adjectives and adverbs.

So instead of "my pen moves quickly to sign this EO," Trump might say, "my pen glides over the parchment, the spring absorbing the harsh terrain as it paints the azure peaks and valleys that have become my signature." 

It's harder than it looks.   

I was listening to Brandon Sanderson writing lecture on youtube. He talked about the difference between Surrender vs I give up.

A high class person would say, "I surrender"

A low class person would say, "I give up"

If you haven't listened to it, you should check it out. He just put out the latest class.

[The Real timschochet 5,635]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

 

A high class person would say, "I surrender"

A low class person would say, "I give up"

 

Trump would say “I made a deal with Mexico and Canada!” 

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You make some good points, though I think the bolded is a way too simplistic outlook. I won't argue that cutting administrators is a good starting point, but wonder if unilaterally removing half of them is a good idea. I also wonder about whether very small school districts lacking a decent tax base would suffer even more without a dedicated federal program to keep them afloat, though that could be separate from the DOE.

Ultimately, we have to figure out a way to get more bang for our educational bucks. School vouchers allowing taxpayers to subsidize well-off individuals sending their kids to private schools is not the answer.

I've been to a few BOE meetings and negations (all different towns), again, this may be a local issue, but everything was fear mongering bull crap.  For example, in one instance the administrators union said that if we didn't increase the budget, there school district would have to cut programs and jobs (teacher jobs, of course... heaven forbid "administrator" jobs).  Of the increase, 95% of the money was going to the administrators.  It wasn't for the school.  It wasn't for the kids, it was for a pay raise to do the same job that is still generating the same results.  Now, if they were talking about a 3% increase, then I'd say, ok... it sucks, but yeah.  But it wasn't.  They were asking for 4 and 4.5% AND adding more staff.  It's b.s.

Now, that said, it depends on the school district.  Some districts are big, with bigger schools, and a 50% cut may be too much, but there can still be cuts.  The savings is money that is better spent inside the school itself, directly on the kids.  When kids are engaged, they're more likely to put forth more effort.  The more programs they had that peak their interest, the more likely they are to be more attentive and cooperative during the day.  The net result is an easier day for the teachers and administrators.  Sure, kids are still kids, but lets be honest... 100% of all teachers and administrators all had a working knowledge of what the job entailed before they took it.  It's literally the only job that people have an idea of what they're in for, for 16 to 17 years, before taking the job.

Nobody should be receiving anything for going to a private school.  I know that doesn't happen in NJ, though that may happen in your state.  If you don't want to go to your local public school, you can go to another public school (and on the hook for transportation... the school doesn't provide that).  But, if you want to go to a private school, that's 100% on your dime, not the school district.  If that happens in your area, then yeah, that's bull crap too.  That shouldn't happen.

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49 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Gonna report me again Matilda?

Poor Rusty is seeing shadows at this point. 

Aww....TDS will do that to the weak minded.