NY Giants sign Russell Wilson to 1 yr deal.

[jrokh 604]

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1904666201445244980

Giants' starting to give just a little hope that they won't be terrible. Russ/Jameis combo should be interesting at the very least...

 

[weepaws 3,127]

Congrats 

[Ray_T 734]

2 hours ago, jrokh said:

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1904666201445244980

Giants' starting to give just a little hope that they won't be terrible. Russ/Jameis combo should be interesting at the very least...

 

and if Jameis can learn a thing or two from Wilson, he might actually be startable when wilson is done.    maybe its wishful thinking, but anyone who has thrown for 5000 yards certainly has the upside if he can figure things out.

I just hope they are smart enough to draft an O line guy.    only guy I really liked on that line was their LT.   but I dont think that is enough.

[GobbleDog 957]

Interesting, mainly because what it means for the draft ...

1) Titans 2) Browns 3) Giants 

Cam Ward is going to Tennessee no doubt, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether Browns take Shedeur Sanders.... some mocks say yes, others say no.  Difficult to believe they'd really stick with Watson/Pickett, but what do I know.

Seems like the Giants wouldn't sign Wilson if they plan on drafting a Qb, but the Falcons did exactly that last year after signing Cousins to multiple years, so maybe they might.

[weepaws 3,127]

Gmen just sign two QBs, they should do the right thing, and build an online.  They might trade down some , maybe. 

[HB Localboy 110]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Congrats 

There is a vote about you over at the geeks.  

[Ray_T 734]

1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

Interesting, mainly because what it means for the draft ...

1) Titans 2) Browns 3) Giants 

Cam Ward is going to Tennessee no doubt, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether Browns take Shedeur Sanders.... some mocks say yes, others say no.  Difficult to believe they'd really stick with Watson/Pickett, but what do I know.

Seems like the Giants wouldn't sign Wilson if they plan on drafting a Qb, but the Falcons did exactly that last year after signing Cousins to multiple years, so maybe they might.

well, Wilson is not a young man.  people were talking like he was totally done a couple years ago.    

hes clearly not the QB he once was but can be a decent enough game manager.    Still throws a decent deep ball from what I hear, but I dont know if hes good enough to lead this team to the playoffs.   there are simply too many holes in the lineup.    This is just a bandage to stop the bleeding.   Eventually the bandage gets old and falls off.

I'd say best case scenario is this team finishes 9-8.  Possibly 10-7 if they get unbelievably lucky and pull some upsets.

more often than not thats not good enough for the playoffs.     and keep in mind, this is (in my opinion) the best case scenario.

more likely is the team is 8-9 or 7-10.    Better than last year, but the bar there is pretty low.

but there are so many holes in this linuep I dont know that putting a rookie QB in there (even a good one) is necessarily the best move.    The line still has issues.

Maybe the right move is to grab a plug and play tackle so that they have good bookends.    Maybe a guard or a center in round 2.    Assuming we give those guys a year to get their play up to a decent level, Then they have the foundation for a good line next year.  and if they stink the joint out with Wilson, they can draft a QB at that time

 

granted, I dont think thats the way it will play out at all.   but if they do draft a QB I'd suggest letting him sit all year long.   the line is still pretty bad other than the LT spot.   So putting a rookie out behind that line is just gonna ruin him (like what happened to Danny Dimes perhaps?)

the kid can maybe play late in the season when it is clear a playoff spot is out of reach.   get him warmed up for next year.

[weepaws 3,127]

44 minutes ago, HB Localboy said:

There is a vote about you over at the geeks.  

This is about ff, let’s remember that numb nuts.  

[weepaws 3,127]

38 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

well, Wilson is not a young man.  people were talking like he was totally done a couple years ago.    

hes clearly not the QB he once was but can be a decent enough game manager.    Still throws a decent deep ball from what I hear, but I dont know if hes good enough to lead this team to the playoffs.   there are simply too many holes in the lineup.    This is just a bandage to stop the bleeding.   Eventually the bandage gets old and falls off.

I'd say best case scenario is this team finishes 9-8.  Possibly 10-7 if they get unbelievably lucky and pull some upsets.

more often than not thats not good enough for the playoffs.     and keep in mind, this is (in my opinion) the best case scenario.

more likely is the team is 8-9 or 7-10.    Better than last year, but the bar there is pretty low.

but there are so many holes in this linuep I dont know that putting a rookie QB in there (even a good one) is necessarily the best move.    The line still has issues.

Maybe the right move is to grab a plug and play tackle so that they have good bookends.    Maybe a guard or a center in round 2.    Assuming we give those guys a year to get their play up to a decent level, Then they have the foundation for a good line next year.  and if they stink the joint out with Wilson, they can draft a QB at that time

 

granted, I dont think thats the way it will play out at all.   but if they do draft a QB I'd suggest letting him sit all year long.   the line is still pretty bad other than the LT spot.   So putting a rookie out behind that line is just gonna ruin him (like what happened to Danny Dimes perhaps?)

the kid can maybe play late in the season when it is clear a playoff spot is out of reach.   get him warmed up for next year.

They now roster three qbs, they might manage a positive record, but I still say they would be helping themselves out by passing on a Qb, even possibly trading down some, they need a rb, te, another wr, and lots of online upgrade, and that’s just on the offense side. 

They play in a tough division, might be the best division in the nfl, I hope they can turn it around, the nfl needs to Gmen. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

Good Lord, WTF are the Giants doing? Do they even have a plan? 

[listen2me 23 1,812]

I chuckled at thr barstool tweet that had the news Russ signs with Gmen.  Above a picture of Daboll just says "Eliminated".  Lol

I always thought Giants were a decently ran franchise but over several years now they look like they are lost. 

[listen2me 23 1,812]

9 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Interesting, mainly because what it means for the draft ...

1) Titans 2) Browns 3) Giants 

Cam Ward is going to Tennessee no doubt, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether Browns take Shedeur Sanders.... some mocks say yes, others say no.  Difficult to believe they'd really stick with Watson/Pickett, but what do I know.

Seems like the Giants wouldn't sign Wilson if they plan on drafting a Qb, but the Falcons did exactly that last year after signing Cousins to multiple years, so maybe they might.

No idea if they like Sanders or not.  How happy is Deion who just said he hopes he goes to NY?  Haha.  

Im not sure how good Sanders will be but id pass.  

Id of also traded Myles Garrett to actually do a rebuild.  At least they may have it right in not forcing a QB in this draft.  

Giants, not sure what they are trying to do.  Try like hell to win a few games to put themseleves in limbo next year for a QB?  They should trade down with someone who wants Hunter or Sanders.  At least grab ammo for next year if they are going to win 6 games and pick 6th.  

[GobbleDog 957]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

They should trade down with someone who wants Hunter or Sanders.   

Agreed. 

I'm surprised at the lack of hype for Bama's Jalen Milroe who's only projected late 2nd/early 3rd.  Seems like the kind of qb teams usually drool over with the running/passing skills - a Jayden Daniels prototype to my eyes.  Perhaps the Giants trade down and look for Milroe or Dart in the 2nd round.

[jrokh 604]

Who's trading up in the top 5 for a non-QB? When is the last time that happened?

[listen2me 23 1,812]

2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Agreed. 

I'm surprised at the lack of hype for Bama's Jalen Milroe who's only projected late 2nd/early 3rd.  Seems like the kind of qb teams usually drool over with the running/passing skills - a Jayden Daniels prototype to my eyes.  Perhaps the Giants trade down and look for Milroe or Dart in the 2nd round.

Richardson has scared people off the athlete with throwing problems.  

I myself am not a Milroe guy.  Just as I wasnt a Richardson guy.  At least Milroe has more experience. 

Milroe is the worst QB in the class in terms of on target throws 10 yards or closer.  And by margin.  Only Richardson had a worse on target % of those throws of any QBs drafted in last 3 years.  

[GobbleDog 957]

2 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Who's trading up in the top 5 for a non-QB? When is the last time that happened?

2023 ... Arizona traded their 3rd and 105th overall picks for Houston's 12th and 33rd.  Houston selected LB Will Anderson.

[GobbleDog 957]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Richardson has scared people off the athlete with throwing problems.  

I myself am not a Milroe guy.  Just as I wasnt a Richardson guy.  At least Milroe has more experience. 

Milroe is the worst QB in the class in terms of on target throws 10 yards or closer.  And by margin.  Only Richardson had a worse on target % of those throws of any QBs drafted in last 3 years.  

Richardson STUNNED me (and I'm a gator fan). I was surprised he even went pro that year, let alone drafted in the 1st round, let alone taken 4th overall.  His stats were abysmal.

Didn't know Milroe's passing stats weren't all that. Guess that explains it. Still, we're not talking 4th overall like Richardson - that was bananas.

[listen2me 23 1,812]

1 minute ago, GobbleDog said:

Richardson STUNNED me (and I'm a gator fan). I was surprised he even went pro that year, let alone drafted in the 1st round, let alone taken 4th overall.  His stats were abysmal.

Didn't know Milroe's passing stats weren't all that. Guess that explains it. Still, we're not talking 4th overall like Richardson - that was bananas.

Milroe is just classic guy who has physical tools but has shown to be way behind in accuracy, processing, feeling the pocket.  A lot of these guys get by just fine taking off in college and that hinders them down the line.  They dont have a rhythm for moving in pocket and completing a pass.  Its one read and take off.  Hes certainly a nice piece of clay to work with. 

Running qbs are a thing now.  But you have to be able to throw and protect yourself.  Richardson already has been getting hurt.  Milroe has a nice frame to him to absorb hits but that can also lead to be willing to take too many of them.  Where as a guy like Daniels is thinner yet fast.  He will dart in open space and get down or go OB.  I believe Skins ran very few QB sneaks.  

[Ray_T 734]

19 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Milroe is just classic guy who has physical tools but has shown to be way behind in accuracy, processing, feeling the pocket.  A lot of these guys get by just fine taking off in college and that hinders them down the line.  They dont have a rhythm for moving in pocket and completing a pass.  Its one read and take off.  Hes certainly a nice piece of clay to work with. 

Running qbs are a thing now.  But you have to be able to throw and protect yourself.  Richardson already has been getting hurt.  Milroe has a nice frame to him to absorb hits but that can also lead to be willing to take too many of them.  Where as a guy like Daniels is thinner yet fast.  He will dart in open space and get down or go OB.  I believe Skins ran very few QB sneaks.  

you are right.  running QB are a thing now.    wanna know why?   There are a lot of teams (too many in my opinion)  who are too lazy to take the proper route to building a team.   They dont wanna build a line and then get the QB.   The theory is that if you get a running QB you can wait on the line.    This is true to a point.   but you still need to provide a minimal level of protection so the kid can learn and grow without running for his life.

Very hard to learn when running for your life every other play.

and when you do that your large investment in a QB takes a lot more hits and the career length is shorter as a result.

I also think that the running QB needs to be able to at least hit his WR.   if he cant, teams will just pin their ears back and go after the QB because the threat to beat them with the pass isnt there.

but you know how it is..... for every 2 or 3  RGII or Richardsons out there, there is a Jaylen Hurts type.   scouting report on him was a lot like Richardson but he worked really hard to fix his throwing motion.   He was a very inaccurate thrower when he started out.  I honestly didnt think he would make it, but I think his work ethic and committment to make himself better allowed him to take that next step.

and truly, not every QB can do that.  if the throwing mechanics are off, it is not easy to fix a throwing motion thats been like it is for years.    some QB can fix it, others cannot.    

[DocNiner 64]

Guess the Giants are out on the Sanders sweepstakes as I don't think they take him at #3. No doubt that either Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter will be there. If I were them they should hope that Hunter falls to them at 3. They should run to the podium to take him but Cleveland could squash that dream. I'm.thinking the Giants are gonna wait until next year to take a QB and that QB could end up being another MANNING with them.taking ARCH MANNING. This could be their mindset.

[TBayXXXVII 2,470]

17 hours ago, Ray_T said:

and if Jameis can learn a thing or two from Wilson

He couldn't learn from Drew Brees & Sean Payton..... 

 

Wilson will probably make the Giants competent.  If he gets hurt, they're toast.  Now, if they draft a QB this year, he'll probably beat out Winston (who may get cut at that point), and they'll possibly have a chance to not stink.

[TBayXXXVII 2,470]

7 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

How happy is Deion who just said he hopes he goes to NY?  Haha.

Maybe he meant Buffalo.  After all, they're the only team that plays in NY. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

6 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm surprised at the lack of hype for Bama's Jalen Milroe

Only if he declares as a running back. He's Justin Fields only worse. 

[Ray_T 734]

6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

He couldn't learn from Drew Brees & Sean Payton..... 

fair point.    

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

On 3/25/2025 at 7:37 PM, jrokh said:

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1904666201445244980

Giants' starting to give just a little hope that they won't be terrible. Russ/Jameis combo should be interesting at the very least...

 

They'll win just enough games to put them out of the Manning sweepstakes next off season, or any other rookie QB for that matter. This is why sucky organizations always suck. 

Giants keep Gianting 

[JagFan 143]

21 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Milroe is just classic guy who has physical tools but has shown to be way behind in accuracy, processing, feeling the pocket.  A lot of these guys get by just fine taking off in college and that hinders them down the line.  They dont have a rhythm for moving in pocket and completing a pass.  Its one read and take off.  Hes certainly a nice piece of clay to work with. 

Running qbs are a thing now.  But you have to be able to throw and protect yourself.  Richardson already has been getting hurt.  Milroe has a nice frame to him to absorb hits but that can also lead to be willing to take too many of them.  Where as a guy like Daniels is thinner yet fast.  He will dart in open space and get down or go OB.  I believe Skins ran very few QB sneaks.  

Alabama doesn’t develop their QBs to succeed at the next level.  Hurts was so fortunate he got ran off to Oklahoma where he was developed for that next level.

[jrokh 604]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They'll win just enough games to put them out of the Manning sweepstakes next off season, or any other rookie QB for that matter. This is why sucky organizations always suck. 

Giants keep Gianting 

Always appreciate the objective, informed, and well-thought out opinions of the Iggles fan, but you’re not the worst fans in sports for nothing….

[Ray_T 734]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They'll win just enough games to put them out of the Manning sweepstakes next off season, or any other rookie QB for that matter. This is why sucky organizations always suck. 

Giants keep Gianting 

well, when the QB you draft doesnt work out it really puts you between a rock and a hard place.

especially if you pay to move up in the draft to get them.   because those extra picks could have filled holes elsewhere in the roster.

some of those holes still exist in the roster.    My hope is that they draft players to address this and run with the QB they have.   while not ideal,  I still firmly believe that line isnt good enough to put a rookie in there.  you'll just ruin the kid.

I have not seen any signings that excite me that would improve the line in any significant way other than adding a bit of depth.    so my belief is that they may be looking to address the line this year in the draft.    So long as they put significant resources to draft and develop those players, they could have the makings of a reasonable line in time to draft a QB next year.

I'd probably be inclined to trade back in the draft get an extra pick or two and load up on O linemen.   Maybe a right tackle in round 1 or early round 2.     and/or a guard in the first 3 rounds.

if taking a guard in round 2-3 it may take a year until hes ready to start but thats fine if you are committed to the rebuild.

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

well, when the QB you draft doesnt work out it really puts you between a rock and a hard place.

Do you trust the Giants to develop any young QB? 

[DocNiner 64]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you trust the Giants to develop any young QB? 

No, not really..Daboll was supposed to do wonders with QBs. He helped Josh Allen but he was already good. He just needed to clean some things up. He couldn't seem to straighten Daniel Jones out but he.never was very good. Even with Russ there I don't see them winning very many games which could ultimately spell the exodus for Russell Wilson and Brian Daboll after this year.

[Ray_T 734]

54 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you trust the Giants to develop any young QB? 

well, I dont think they did a good job of putting Danny dimes into a position to succeed if thats what you mean.   I'm also pretty sure that falls more on the GM than it does the coach.   sadly a couple of coaches have paid the price here when it was the GM who deserved to go.    But this is the way of pro football.   To properly develop a QB you need a decent line and some good, route running WR vets along with a young stud WR who can grow along with his QB.

 

in all the years Danny dimes was there I think there may have been one year where the line was passable.  possibly 2.    and when I say passable I mean meets the minimum standard that would allow a QB to play to a reasonable level.      This is not the same as a line that is good enough to let the QB thrive or have a career season.

 

There were also some years where i dont think they had any WR that were more than a WR2/3.

so a lot went wrong.   I dont deny they tried by drafting some players for the O line and signing a free agent or two, but all met with failure.

judging and deciding on what talent to bring in clearly falls under the job of the GM.    Developing that talent is an organizational thing.   part is drafting it, and part is coaching them up so they can be good pros.   Coaches take some responsibility there, but I'd say its 50% coaches and 50% gm/organization.

Clearly they were not able to get it done one way or another.    And if Danny Dimes ends up lighting it up in Indy the whole organizaton is gonna look real dumb.  Especially after they let Sequon walk and the he has a season for the ages in his first season in Philly.

 

All that being said, I dont have a ton of faith that they will be successful in developing a new QB but I also have to hope they have learned from their mistakes.

my belief is that they should trade back, and draft an O line.    it usually takes a full season for a drafted player to come into his own, so in running with the QB they have I think its fair to say they will not likely be a playoff team.    Thats fine.  but in the interim they need to at least make it look like they are trying to be competitive while they retool this franchise.  You cant be playing in an empty stadium.

 

but at some point they do need to draft and develop a QB.    There is no getting around this.   Some QB are also good enough to perform despite a lack of talent/coaching.   I'm not sure that anyone in this class meets that criteria which is why Im suggesting a trade back instead of a trade up to get a QB.    I dont think anyone in this draft class will be able to perform behind a bad line.    If they feel strongly, I guess they can draft someone, but if going that route, the responsible thing would be to let him sit and learn from Wilson who is  a seasoned vet.

my feeling is that none of the things I think they should do will come to pass.    I think you may be right about the  giants will keep gianting.    Though I hope your prediction is wrong.  it will be painful seeing them make the same mistakes over and over again and I'm not even a giants fan.   Imagine how the Giants fans feel?

 

anyhow I digress.   You know how I feel.  I have said enough

 

.

[weepaws 3,127]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you trust the Giants to develop any young QB? 

Have to have one on team before that can happen 

 

[gcmmidwest 149]

Will never understand how this midget is among the highest ever paid qb's  over 300 million earning smh

[Ray_T 734]

1 hour ago, gcmmidwest said:

Will never understand how this midget is among the highest ever paid qb's  over 300 million earning smh

he was real good when he arrived.   made a big impact as a rookie running a ball control offense.   pass yards + rush yards were consistently in the 4000+ range and he was fast.  you couldnt catch him back there.      He was also not a first round pick.    so  no 5th year option.   so he got paid earlier than all the other QB in his draft class.

I know he doesnt look like much now, but hes gained weight and gotten older.  hes not fast like he was.      so the player he is now is not the same as the player that came into the NFL and set the world on fire as a rookie.

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

4 hours ago, weepaws said:

Have to have one on team before that can happen 

 

Then go 0-17 next season and draft Manning.

What's 7 wins going to accomplish? 

[jrokh 604]

16 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Then go 0-17 next season and draft Manning.

What's 7 wins going to accomplish? 

How do you know that Manning is coming out this year, and is any good?

[Ray_T 734]

16 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Then go 0-17 next season and draft Manning.

What's 7 wins going to accomplish? 

you still need to field a team so people go to the games.  If they want to get the best QB in the next draft I suspect that trading back in the draft is more likely to be the play here.

if they can get a first round pick next year as part of the package, then they will have multiple firsts and have an option to move up if they need to.

[weepaws 3,127]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Then go 0-17 next season and draft Manning.

What's 7 wins going to accomplish? 

Lol , not much, but I hate to see a team fold.  Lol.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

5 hours ago, weepaws said:

Lol , not much, but I hate to see a team fold.  Lol.  

I thought they should of drafted JJ McCarthy or Penix last year. If they did, they could of drafted Jeanty or Tet this season and well on their way to a rebuild.n

[Maximum Overkill 1,683]

Last year was the perfect spot to grab Penix, McCarthy or Nix